Do we have any Cath-o-lics in the house? Anywhere? Maybe just one?

Marek

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Nevermind they are probably busy praying about the great new papal decree!

Catholicism has been enriched with 7 fun new reasons to hate yourself!

NEW DEADLY SINS!!!!

I smell mixed messages...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article3517050.ece
Drug pushers, the obscenely rich, environmental polluters and “manipulative” genetic scientists beware – you may be in danger of losing your mortal soul unless you repent.

After 1,500 years the Vatican has brought the seven deadly sins up to date by adding seven new ones for the age of globalisation. The list, published yesterday in L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “securalised world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes”, including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell”.

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularised in the Middle Ages by Dante in The Inferno: lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 per cent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalisation”. Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an invididual matter, it now had “social resonance”.

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbour’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.

Bishop Girotti said that mortal sins also included taking or dealing in drugs, and social injustice which caused poverty or “the excessive accumulation of wealth by a few”.

He said that two mortal sins which continued to preoccupy the Vatican were abortion, which offended “the dignity and rights of women”, and paedophilia, which had even infected the clergy itself and so had exposed the “human and institutional fragility of the Church”.

The mass media had “blown up” the issue “to discredit the Church”, but the Church itself was taking steps to deal with it.

Addressing the Apostolic Penitentiary seminar, the Pope said there was “a certain disaffection” with confession among the faithful. Priests had to show “divine tenderness for penitent sinners” and admit their own failings.

“Those who trust in themselves and in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own ‘I’, and their hearts harden in sin. Those who recognise themselves as weak and sinful entrust themselves to God, and from Him obtain grace and forgiveness.”

The Pope also complained that an increasing number of people in the secularised West were “making do without God”.

He said that hedonism and consumerism had even invaded “the bosom of the Church itself, deeply undermining the Christian faith from within, and undermining the lifestyle and daily behaviour of believers”.

Eastern Catholics do not recognise the same distinction between mortal and venial sins as the Western or Latin Church does, nor does it believe that those people who die in a state of sin are condemned to automatic damnation.

The original offences and their punishments
Pride Broken on the wheel
Envy Put in freezing water
Gluttony Forced to eat rats, toads, and snakes
Lust Smothered in fire and brimstone
Anger Dismembered alive
Greed Put in cauldrons of boiling oil
SlothThrown in snake pits
 
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I did 13 years of Catholic school. Yea, Ontario Highschools go up to grade 13(unless that's changed now?)

I always say the best way to make an atheist or agnostic is to send them to Catholic school.

I'm really surprised anyone gives a shit or even listens to the church anymore. This shouldn't even be making the news, IMHO.
 

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dark penguin said:
I did 13 years of Catholic school. Yea, Ontario Highschools go up to grade 13(unless that's changed now?)

I always say the best way to make an atheist or agnostic is to send them to Catholic school.

I'm really surprised anyone gives a shit or even listens to the church anymore. This shouldn't even be making the news, IMHO.

Seriously. Did you hear they have a patron saint of the internet? :spock:
 

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Do we get to blame the jews for all these like the originals too?
 

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Catholic.

...I thought you were a Mason, Aphex.
 

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Populous said:
Seriously. Did you hear they have a patron saint of the internet? :spock:

Ha, no. Whenever I think of graduating from Catholic HS, the song from the Jeffersons plays in my head...movin' on up.

I don't begrudge any man his own religion, but I'm glad organized religion is not a part of my life.
 

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Nesagwa said:
Do we get to blame the jews for all these like the originals too?

We cant blame the jews for the control mechanisms below

The original offences and their punishments
Pride Broken on the wheel
Envy Put in freezing water
Gluttony Forced to eat rats, toads, and snakes
Lust Smothered in fire and brimstone
Anger Dismembered alive
Greed Put in cauldrons of boiling oil
SlothThrown in snake pits

Come on Nes. Think with your brain. :oh_no:

StickmanLoser said:
Catholic.

...I thought you were a Mason, Aphex.


ZING!
 

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i am; most freemasons i know are catholic too.
one of the requirements to join is a belief in a supreme being.

im not a practicing catholic anymore, but id still raise my kid that way.

1. it will discipline him
2. private school, better education
3. he will not be catholic when he leaves
4. he will witness firsthand the absurdities of the religion instead of having to hear about them secondhand
 

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Populous said:
We cant blame the jews for the control mechanisms below



Come on nes. Think with you brain. :oh_no:




ZING!

Its funny, because during the Middle Ages when they were popularized, thats exactly what they blamed the Jews of.

THINK WITH YOUR COCK POP!
 

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Kid Aphex said:
i am; most freemasons i know are catholic too.
one of the requirements to join is a belief in a supreme being.

im not a practicing catholic anymore, but id still raise my kid that way.

1. it will discipline him
2. private school, better education
3. he will not be catholic when he leaves
4. he will witness firsthand the absurdities of the religion instead of having to hear about them secondhand, and in turn, never really forming a legimate opinion

Kind of fucked up logic, but it passes. I mean... catholic school was held over my head like the sword of dameclese. But Catholic school dosent provide better education... at least not where I live. Its horrible.

And freemasonry is evil and you fucking know it.
 

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Kid Aphex said:
i am; most freemasons i know are catholic too.
one of the requirements to join is a belief in a supreme being.

im not a practicing catholic anymore, but id still raise my kid that way.

1. it will discipline him
2. private school, better education
3. he will not be catholic when he leaves
4. he will witness firsthand the absurdities of the religion instead of having to hear about them secondhand

I can see the logic in this. In fact, that's about exactly how it worked out for me.
 

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dark penguin said:
I can see the logic in this. In fact, that's about exactly how it worked out for me.

Yeah but what about all my friends in high school, torn between being a normal person and having the most overbearing parents catholicism can generate. Nothing fucks up a kids head like a megadose of catholic guilt, shame, and humiliation..
 

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dark penguin said:
I can see the logic in this. In fact, that's about exactly how it worked out for me.

me too!

and for sure, my education was leagues better than public education.
i dont think my school for once discredited evolution even...
basically, it was like a prep school with an hour of 'religion' at the end of the day;
during that hour, we read a book called GUIDELINES,
wherein we were taught how to be nicer to people, not to lie, to have empathy, etc.

not that bad.
 

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its cool how everyone can rip on catholics with no repercussions, but if its any other religion, you better watch out.
 

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Populous said:
Yeah but what about all my friends in high school, torn between being a normal person and having the most overbearing parents catholicism can generate. Nothing fucks up a kids head like a megadose of catholic guilt, shame, and humiliation..

my kid would go to public high school.
throwing him into the real world after the gradeschool makebelieve of private schooling.
 

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not sonic said:
its cool how everyone can rip on catholics with no repercussions, but if its any other religion, you better watch out.

Nobody likes muslims either, chill.
 

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Boy oh boy :oh_no:

I left the Catholic church in 2002 and have ZERO plans of returning.
 

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not sonic said:
its cool how everyone can rip on catholics with no repercussions, but if its any other religion, you better watch out.

Wtf are you talking about? Catholics are christians. Christianity is a slave religion, save unitarians and other humanistic denominations.

I talk plenty of shit about all religions and the governmental institutions that have used them to manipulate the populous. Catholics are just extra easy to make fun of. Kind of like the republican party and evangelicals. All the repression, guilt, and shame makes for easy targets. Radical Judaism and Islam are no different.
 

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Nesagwa said:
Nobody likes muslims either, chill.

i just dont get this bible thumping literal word for word pope following catholic sterotype.

thats not how i grew up at all. i went to an equivalent of "sunday school" and it was nothing like how anyone goes on about.


if anything all the non catholic christians i knew/know were/are the nutjob bible thumpers.
 

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Kid Aphex said:
my kid would go to public high school.
throwing him into the real world after the gradeschool makebelieve of private schooling.

Well thats reassuring. I'll agree that private grade school is probably a better idea. Teachers actually have control of classes and smaller size means more individual attention and all around better teaching.

DangerousK said:
Terrible thread.
You can thank 'ole creepy eyes for it.
washyourhands.jpg
 

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not sonic said:
its cool how everyone can rip on catholics with no repercussions, but if its any other religion, you better watch out.

i dont think catholics care; thats why, despite the absurdities, its my religion of choice.
 

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Populous said:
Yeah but what about all my friends in high school, torn between being a normal person and having the most overbearing parents catholicism can generate. Nothing fucks up a kids head like a megadose of catholic guilt, shame, and humiliation..

I never had an issue with that. We weren't die-hard Catholics outside of school. And other than uniforms(which weren't too bad) and mandatory theology classes(which were sometimes interesting), the only thing that really bothered me were forced religious gatherings. The quality of the education in Catholic HS was pretty good when I was going through, although that was quite a few years ago. It may have changed since.

I guess it comes down to the family situation...and if it's overbearing at home, the kid is probably doomed anyway :D

Separation of Church and State FTW though!
 
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