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Would it surprise you to find out that some collectors who were buying their collections after 2003 have been buying fake games and recirculating them into the system?
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They fake Neo Geo games?
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I guess it surprises me to a degree.
I thought counterfeit quality rose with a gradual pace throughout the years.
Wouldn't a decent 2004 fake look suspicious when standing beside a well-done 2012 fake?
EDIT: So those fakes should have been outed by now. Unless they were that good in 2003, and well, that's your point here.
I thought counterfeit quality rose with a gradual pace throughout the years.
Wouldn't a decent 2004 fake look suspicious when standing beside a well-done 2012 fake?
EDIT: So those fakes should have been outed by now. Unless they were that good in 2003, and well, that's your point here.
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I got two fake (boot) carts: spinmaster & top hunter
I was surprised to see ppl boot those two carts........
You never know.
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If someone bought a fake game, like a Euro Real Bout 2, and upon realizing the nature of the fake, forced the seller to refund the money,
Would you fault the buyer for not returning the game to the seller?
Would you fault the buyer for not returning the game to the seller?
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Yes, because how do you know the seller is the one responsible for the boot or knew so himself.
On a side note, at what point do the "fakes" become so good that they are making "real" carts? And if so why does it even matter anymore? The real carts are probably made with newer, higher quality materials that would probably last longer anyways.
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There's probably so much shit out there going on that has never been discovered. People probably found ways to counterfeit these perfectly, and i'm sure they ain't telling anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if a very large percentage of most AES games are fake.
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The shitty thing is whether the buyer returned it or not, neither party would destroy the item so it will be recirculated at some point.
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I don't know. But it's funny to see someone actually makes "boot" for those common titles. Or I should say we can start seeing boots for common titles..................
They work great though, BTW
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So the seller doesn't pass the boot to another person? Sure I could understand that.
Now if you're the seller and don't know you're selling the boot (probably a very small percentage). You might just want the game back. As you don't believe it's fake but you also don't want to argue with the buyer who could give you negative feedback.
Hmm... I guess I would just prove its fake to the seller with a ton of pics. Get my refund. Then post a YouTube vid of me destroying it. Hehe.
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Aggregators recirculating phonies would not surprise me a bit, but the biggest launders were/are Japanese stores & YAJ. Buyers understood this ethnic origin as a kind of inviolable guarantee for AES authenticity. But most Japanese sellers know less about boots & cons than the average ng.com noobster. Be it sloth or an IDGAF philosophy...
The times of careless and unprotected CBD are over anyway, fakes infested gatherers worldwide, just like AIDS did Yuppies in the 80's. So the only thing to regret about one's collection is... that it has Boneitis.
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I disagree, it's worth to discuss old blunders considering the arrival of the latest generation of counterfeits. Names would be the least important fact about it... except for hopeless drama afficionados.
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Exactly - the buyer should have posted a video of the fake cart dying in a fire.
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a metal slug 1 is as real as a fatal fury is - but the price is different. i think 95% of the fakes are obvious and sold as conversions: pretty easy to identify because of insert, manual, sticker quality - and if these might be perfect (normally they are far away from "perfect") and 1:1 to the original, the boot can be identified via the boards. but i am sure that there are boots you cant identify via the boards, cause they are perfectly (re)made...
in a world where watch calibers are faked very well, faking aes carts seems to be quite easy (compared to that). and of course nobody tells in public "i make perfect boots". and ppl dont know they bought a boot so they cant tell "uhhh i bought a perfect boot for 5k".
i wonder how much ppl have an original jap aes cart with fake us kit (insert, manual, label) or vice versa, depending which is worth more $...
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I guess I misunderstood the original post.
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Agreed. With thousands of dollars to earn from each sale, there certainly is the motivation to perfect the methods of producing counterfeits.
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What really should be done now, is people who have known legit games, like purchased new, and or directly from snk, should be documenting these things. Whats going to happen is these fakes, ate going to be thought of as legit, and possibly determining all real carts to be fake. So known real carts, from respected members should be documented inside. With high resolution photos.
Whats it's going to come down to 100 years from now, if people still collect Neo geo. Which I think they will even if not functional, is some dude with a magnifying glass like on antiques roadshow.
Sonesones gonna be like I found this last blade in my dads chest, it was his favorite he said he picked it up from a guy who purchased it over the phone from SNK back in the day. And guy with magnifying glass going to be like, sorry, this is well known aromikwave boot. You can tell from the solder joints under my magnifying glass. I also swabbed a small sample and the solder is not typical of official SNK product. Sorry for your loss. But it's still worth 1k instead of 10k.
Whats it's going to come down to 100 years from now, if people still collect Neo geo. Which I think they will even if not functional, is some dude with a magnifying glass like on antiques roadshow.
Sonesones gonna be like I found this last blade in my dads chest, it was his favorite he said he picked it up from a guy who purchased it over the phone from SNK back in the day. And guy with magnifying glass going to be like, sorry, this is well known aromikwave boot. You can tell from the solder joints under my magnifying glass. I also swabbed a small sample and the solder is not typical of official SNK product. Sorry for your loss. But it's still worth 1k instead of 10k.
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The only allegedly fake game I have seen in person that looks like it could be real is Aero Fighters 3 English AES.
Never bought a fake AES game myself. The number of fakes has to be very small, but probably increases exponentially with value. The only high dollar games I've owned were MotW and Pulstar (both real). If you are repeatedly buying fakes, maybe the problem is you are not diligent enough.
Never bought a fake AES game myself. The number of fakes has to be very small, but probably increases exponentially with value. The only high dollar games I've owned were MotW and Pulstar (both real). If you are repeatedly buying fakes, maybe the problem is you are not diligent enough.