Mass surveillance program exposed by Snowden was illegal: US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

Lagduf

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Does this mean Snowden can come home?

After we defund the Police can we get rid of the FISA court too?
 

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This was 9th Circuit, so I'd imagine it's going to go to the SC at some point. But yeah, he did the right thing IMO, and I think he should be able to come home. Apparently he can just walk around Russia freely, so it's not like he's been holed up in his hotel this entire time, though.
 

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At this point I don't think he will come home for his own safety.
 

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You know shit went sideways somewhere along the line when someone leaves the US and goes to Russia to escape government persecution.
 

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You know shit went sideways somewhere along the line when someone leaves the US and goes to Russia to escape government persecution.

AFAIK he got stuck in Russia due to his passport being revoked on his way to somewhere nicer.

What I don’t get is why people still use Facebook and other services the NSA has a backdoor into. No one cares and the poor guy is stuck in Russia.
 

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Can't wait for wasabi to share his opinion on Snowden. wasabi isnt necessarily wrong, either.
 

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At this point I don't think he will come home for his own safety.

Yeah this I have to agree with. Even if he gets to come home, I'm sure there's is several bullets waiting for him.
 

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Yeah this I have to agree with. Even if he gets to come home, I'm sure there's is several bullets waiting for him.

Unlike Assange, it's a good job Snowden is in one of the few countries that isn't America's bitch.
 

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Is the United States even a place to go back to? At this point, probably better to wait abroad for the race war everyone seems to be gearing up for to finish. Let all you idiots get this bullshit out of your system.
 

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Is the United States even a place to go back to? At this point, probably better to wait abroad for the race war everyone seems to be gearing up for to finish. Let all you idiots get this bullshit out of your system.
I'll admit I limit myself on the amount of news anymore, but is this really a race war anymore? Authority vs the mob. Black lives matter vs All lives matters I get, but did I miss the point where blacks and whites are ready to kill each other?
 

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Is the United States even a place to go back to? At this point, probably better to wait abroad for the race war everyone seems to be gearing up for to finish. Let all you idiots get this bullshit out of your system.

Maybe everyone can watch Duck, You Sucker! and all the revolution talk will quiet down.
 

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I'll admit I limit myself on the amount of news anymore, but is this really a race war anymore? Authority vs the mob.
Would that it were so. It could be your white privilege that allows you to interpret it thus. If it was simply authority vs. mob, I'd be happy to come back, put on a face mask, and take part in the protests (not that I'm any fan of mobs).

But as a white person, there's a Sisyphean task of constantly proving you are not part of the evil side by default. I think if you stop throwing bottles at cops for more than 8 seconds at a time, there are plenty of people who are happy to assume you are with those militia assholes. And if you don't go 100% in on all points at all times, if you attempt to introduce the tiniest amount of nuance to any debate or interpretation of an event, if you ask to wait for facts before committing fully to a position, you instantly get labeled something by one or both of the two extremes.

In the super-hero comics I read as a kid, particularly Marvel's, there's a tradition of two groups of heroes meeting and then getting into a huge battle with each other due to some misunderstanding or manipulation on the part of some villain. Then they spend at least one entire issue fighting each other before finally realizing they should have been on the same side all along, and then teaming up to fight the real bad guy. I've read it a billion times. It's so fucking tired and played out. And that's how I feel about what's going on now. Except the two teams will never get past the point of fighting each other, never realize the real threat they should be teamed up against. It's just one endless middle act of the most hacky, stupid story ever written. It's fucking disheartening.
 

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I hate the term “white privilege” because privilege comes not simply from color but from wealth. A poor white family will struggle the same as a poor black family, and the deficiencies that affect one will likely affect the other. We need to improve standards of living across the board, socialism be damned.

In Maryland there’s a new lawsuit filed by Asian parents who feel racially disadvantaged because the magnet schools are allowing Black and Hispanic children entrance without grades as good as the Asian children. The school system says they want diversity. The Asians say they want the best for the kids. The Asians have much more money, and are paying for tutors, and giving their kids every opportunity possible. The black and Hispanic families have much lower income and their children don’t have the same privileges. Taking it a step further, Asian attendance at magnets in Maryland is over 38%, which practically triples their demographic representation in the area.

Anyhow, what I am getting at is that white privilege is an idiotic phrase, and worse, could be a display of racism.
 

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he is just a bargaining chip

Yeah Putin will let him stay in Russia until he admits why he resigned, er, I mean, there's a significant advantage given by the US to extradite him. I wouldn't wish what these whistleblowers get for anyone, but unfortunately that's part of the game and they chose to play it... in a country where something like No-Fly Lists with ambiguous names exist you should know better to don't dick or get involved with intelligence agencies.

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AFAIK he got stuck in Russia due to his passport being revoked on his way to somewhere nicer.

What I don’t get is why people still use Facebook and other services the NSA has a backdoor into. No one cares and the poor guy is stuck in Russia.

I'm amused by how ill informed this post is.
 

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Snowden is an asshole and a russian asset. He's not to be celebrated.

If you believe the fiction about his noble cause or whatever else is being pushed by various adversaries, I don't know what to tell you other than your beliefs are probably based on fabrication and propaganda.
 

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just because the program was illegal doesn't mean Snowden is free. They could easily argue he didn't use proper process to report it, or the fact he still exposed secret information.
You aren't free just because you exposed something that was corrupt.
 

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Is the United States even a place to go back to? At this point, probably better to wait abroad for the race war everyone seems to be gearing up for to finish. Let all you idiots get this bullshit out of your system.

Don't fall for the frequently espoused media narrative that frames current rioting and looting as white vs black. A large amount of the protesters and property-destroying, looting criminals are white.

Trump benefits from law-and-order voters happy to frame the current situation as black criminals vs whites.
 
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A large amount of the protesters and property-destroying, looting criminals are white.
You've missed the point completely. I could not care less who is doing the looting. The law and order stuff means less than nothing to me, other than the cops breaking the law by murdering people.
 

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You've missed the point completely. I could not care less who is doing the looting. The law and order stuff means less than nothing to me, other than the cops breaking the law by murdering people.

Yeah, this is what the polygarchy wants everyone to ignore.
 

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In Maryland there’s a new lawsuit filed by Asian parents who feel racially disadvantaged because the magnet schools are allowing Black and Hispanic children entrance without grades as good as the Asian children. The school system says they want diversity. The Asians say they want the best for the kids. The Asians have much more money, and are paying for tutors, and giving their kids every opportunity possible. The black and Hispanic families have much lower income and their children don’t have the same privileges. Taking it a step further, Asian attendance at magnets in Maryland is over 38%, which practically triples their demographic representation in the area.

Sounds like there are more people willing to pay for a different grade-schooling option than there is supply of that education. I don't know if the magnets are "better" schools, but it sounds like a supply issue that manifests as a race issue.

It also sounds like there could be some harm done to non-magnet public schools as well, when you are removing elements of both diversity and wealth from students' interactions.
 
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