NEO GEO AES+

[fenikso]

As far as I remember, 8man bought 8 NEO GEO X systems.

Dear God, why?

 

[venchia3]

It was a bit sad when during the interview he mentioned SNK support was basically zero since there was no knowledge base left in the company (paraphrasing).

 

[BlackaneseNiNjA]

Another Jotego interview.

Interestingly enough, he mentioned that there is another console on the way but couldn’t say more.


For those who want the skim the auto-summary:

Introduction and Project Background (0:00 - 3:13):

• The host introduces the excitement surrounding the launch of the new Neo Geo AES+ by SNK and Playon.
• Jotego explains his background in microelectronics and his significant contributions to the MiSTer FPGAproject, where he developed over 70 cores for arcade and console games.
• He reveals that Playon contacted him to consult on the AES+ project due to his existing work on the Neo Geocore and his technical expertise.

Technical Development and Quality (3:13 - 5:30):

• Jotego notes that SNK required high-quality standards. He collaborated with Furte, an expert who performed reverse engineering on the original Neo Geo chips.
• He asserts that the AES+ is essentially a "better" version of the original because it uses modern, reliable electronics while maintaining perfect compatibility with original hardware, joysticks, and software (5:01).

Key Features and Comparisons (5:30 - 11:00):

• Reliability: The console is newly manufactured, avoiding the common failures associated with aging vintage electronics (5:51).
• Connectivity: The machine includes both the original video output and modern HDMI support (6:24).
• Visuals & Audio: It uses the original digital-to-analog converter (DAC) circuit for accurate color, and the audio is designed to be faithful to the original, intentionally omitting the interpolator used in the MiSTer version to preserve the authentic sound (6:43-9:42).
• Input Lag: Because the controller signals connect directly to the chips, there is virtually zero input lag, matching the original console experience (9:43-10:59).

Game Cartridges and Future Outlook (11:00 - 14:46):

• Regarding the price of the games, Jotego explains they use high-quality flash memory chips, which are currently expensive to produce in lower quantities (11:22).
• He speculates that while Nintendo might not follow this route, other companies or Playon could potentially replicate the success with systems like the Sega Mega Drive in the future (12:52).

Conclusion (14:46 - 16:38):

• They discuss the terminology, with Jotego agreeing that while it is technically a "replica," it functions like a new model revision (e.g., Mega Drive 1 to Mega Drive 2), maintaining the original casing but updating the internal board architecture (14:18).

 

[kernow]

For those who want the skim the auto-summary:

Introduction and Project Background (0:00 - 3:13):

• The host introduces the excitement surrounding the launch of the new Neo Geo AES+ by SNK and Playon.
• Jotego explains his background in microelectronics and his significant contributions to the MiSTer FPGAproject, where he developed over 70 cores for arcade and console games.
• He reveals that Playon contacted him to consult on the AES+ project due to his existing work on the Neo Geocore and his technical expertise.

Technical Development and Quality (3:13 - 5:30):

• Jotego notes that SNK required high-quality standards. He collaborated with Furte, an expert who performed reverse engineering on the original Neo Geo chips.
• He asserts that the AES+ is essentially a "better" version of the original because it uses modern, reliable electronics while maintaining perfect compatibility with original hardware, joysticks, and software (5:01).

Key Features and Comparisons (5:30 - 11:00):

• Reliability: The console is newly manufactured, avoiding the common failures associated with aging vintage electronics (5:51).
• Connectivity: The machine includes both the original video output and modern HDMI support (6:24).
• Visuals & Audio: It uses the original digital-to-analog converter (DAC) circuit for accurate color, and the audio is designed to be faithful to the original, intentionally omitting the interpolator used in the MiSTer version to preserve the authentic sound (6:43-9:42).
• Input Lag: Because the controller signals connect directly to the chips, there is virtually zero input lag, matching the original console experience (9:43-10:59).

Game Cartridges and Future Outlook (11:00 - 14:46):

• Regarding the price of the games, Jotego explains they use high-quality flash memory chips, which are currently expensive to produce in lower quantities (11:22).
• He speculates that while Nintendo might not follow this route, other companies or Playon could potentially replicate the success with systems like the Sega Mega Drive in the future (12:52).

Conclusion (14:46 - 16:38):

• They discuss the terminology, with Jotego agreeing that while it is technically a "replica," it functions like a new model revision (e.g., Mega Drive 1 to Mega Drive 2), maintaining the original casing but updating the internal board architecture (14:18).

*Barfing gif*

 

[kernow]

Brb gonna iron out all the faults in the Porsche 911 then post about it on a classic 911 forum telling them why it's better in every way

 

[BlackaneseNiNjA]

Brb gonna iron out all the faults in the Porsche 911 then post about it on a classic 911 forum telling them why it's better in every way

Yeah I figured his answer to that question was going to be controversial to say the least. Interesting that he likens it to another hardware variant similar to a model 2 sega genesis/megadrive or one of the many revisions of the playstation consoles.

 

[Tarma]

I think RUF and Singer both beat you to that some time ago mate.

 

[venchia3]

Indeed, I missed the part in which he mentions that this is a Neo Geo model 2. That’s not the case in my opinion. That’s a re release from a third party company.

Also, recreated by reverse engineering every single aspect. It is not bad per sé, but cannot be called NG Model 2 ffs Jotego bro slow down man.

 

[kernow]

It's not the original though is it

 

[madpossum]

Well, you guys missed your chance, while you were arguing over the authenticity of the AES+ your chance to obtain an actual real, quality, MVS collection went up from 25k to $36k now, lol.

 

[Neo Alec]

It was a bit sad when during the interview he mentioned SNK support was basically zero since there was no knowledge base left in the company (paraphrasing).

Sad, but no surprise. The original hardware designers are long gone, and they no longer have any need.

 

[Neo Alec]

Indeed, I missed the part in which he mentions that this is a Neo Geo model 2. That’s not the case in my opinion. That’s a re release from a third party company.

Also, recreated by reverse engineering every single aspect. It is not bad per sé, but cannot be called NG Model 2 ffs Jotego bro slow down man.

Yeah, if the Genesis model 2 came out 36 years after the first one.

In all seriousness, I like jotego. He's great.

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

He who pays the piper calls the tune.

 

[neo_mao]

AES+ carts may not work after 40 years?

That’s it, I’m canceling my preorders!

 

[NeoSeeD]

 

[Burning Fight!!]

It was a bit sad when during the interview he mentioned SNK support was basically zero since there was no knowledge base left in the company (paraphrasing).

yeah because the french and spanish are doing it
when its japanese old tymers like M2 suddenly they find the rarest reference and design documents pulled out of someone's attic, everyone who worked on the game who's still alive vividly remembers every minute detail, etc.

 

[Tarma]

It's not the original though is it

Doesn't mean to say it's not any good, nor does it mean that it's inferior to the original.

I'm sure there's a section of Rolex owners out there who think a certain generation of Rolex is far superior to whatever it is they're knocking out these days.

 

[pixeljunkie]

In the age of weaponized nostalgia, I'm just happy it's ME finally being exploited.

 

[wingzrow]

So from that video if it's not Nintendo or SEGA....I mean there's the PC Engine. I said SEGA could theoretically do a new genesis, but honestly there's no real incentive for them to do so. NGPC would be double dipping so I don't see that either. Unless they're making like, a new MSX or something.

 

[wyo]

 

[BlackaneseNiNjA]

So from that video if it's not Nintendo or SEGA....I mean there's the PC Engine. I said SEGA could theoretically do a new genesis, but honestly there's no real incentive for them to do so. NGPC would be double dipping so I don't see that either. Unless they're making like, a new MSX or something.

Considering the response to the aes+ and the success of clone handhelds in recent years, an NGPC revival would probably do even better if they could reproduce the micro switch sticks.

I’m still surprised there was no special neogeo pocket-style stick joycon to accompany the ngpc collection that hit the nintendo switch a while back.

 

[pixeljunkie]

I would say there's no chance in hell any of these pie in the sky redux of old consoles could happen, but just like the fact you can't have one popular pirate movie without 10 other wannabes...shit could get wild.

 

[Genesis Knight]

Considering the response to the aes+ and the success of clone handhelds in recent years, an NGPC revival would probably do even better if they could reproduce the micro switch sticks.

I’m still surprised there was no special neogeo pocket-style stick joycon to accompany the ngpc collection that hit the nintendo switch a while back.

The thumbstick on NGPC is so great that I'd rather play my original units that something like Analogue Pocket. I did an IPS mod for my old eyes and just use lithium batteries to make up for the higher drain.

 

[NeoCverA]

Well, you guys missed your chance, while you were arguing over the authenticity of the AES+ your chance to obtain an actual real, quality, MVS collection went up from 25k to $36k now, lol.

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People got wind of all my inserts in that collection.

 

[Nostromo]

When Jotego compares the new AES+ to MD2 over MD he was simply stating that now the same thing can be achieved using less chips (after all 35 years have passed its obvious that technology has advanced). He didn’t go around improving things, so much that he even went the extra way to make sure it sounds like the original system, not like the MiSTer core, which I guess sounds cleaner, but different.

As for the other console I really hope it’s PC Engine but I don’t think many will be interested in that, and probably they would have to omit the CD drive, which wouldn’t be great. I suspect it’s going to be a handheld.