New rare carts, coming in!

[nick_th_fury]

This is also why I am very skeptical about the use of a rarity system in the price guide,

I agree with you on that, It's almost silly IMO.

I know several NeoGeo Collectors In DFW that
are not into the online neogeo sales.
They do not participate on this BBS, or any other neo related one.
They Know it exists, & they don't care for it, so they won't suddenly "find" us.
Thats several large Home Cart Collections & MVS players that dont factor into that guide.

& That's just who I know, In one city.

Can ya'll imagine how many guys there must be out there with carts, that we'll never know about?

IMO, the large, large majority of Neo Carts are untrackable by that guide.


This is why we see carts that were thought to be super rare, Like a US VF-Gowcaiser.
Become almost common.
Heck, everyone that wants one here can easily pick one up in a sec.
Not true just a year ago.

 

[LWK]

That episode was the shiznit!

 

[Viewpoint]

Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:
<STRONG>
I would take Adol's word first, he seems damned determined to the fact he has seen them.
He argued with shawn over this, and if I were him I would be pissed to see so many doubters over a game.
Lets see, there must be a LOAD of them some where if they are indeed real. Why?
You give me a good reason SNK would go to the trouble to produce only about 2 kizuna's?
BULLSHIT!
There has got to be more. Either that, or the english kizuna is a fraud. I agree with Adol. Why would he just make something like that up?
I mean damn.</STRONG>

*sigh* Once again you did not fully COMPREHEND MY STATEMENT. I said only 2 KNOWN copies of this game about. We know this for a fact because nobody else here seems to have it or spoken up for it. Read what I'm saying Sir. 2 KNOWN copies. Which means in the Neo SCENE here. Only 2 people have the U.S. version of this game. Period. I was never questioned Adol or said he lied. Which Adol himself MISUNDERSTOOD what I meant.

I said it plain and simple enough. Nick understood what I meant. Is it that hard for anyone else to understand a simple statement.

Jesus, Think about how I said that before you respond. I can understand Adol not getting what i meant because English is his 2nd langauge. LWK you should have understood from the get go. <IMG SRC="smilies/shame.gif" border="0">

[ August 05, 2001: Message edited by: BonusKun ]

 

[LWK]

Originally posted by BonusKun:
<STRONG>*sigh* Once again you did not fully COMPREHEND MY STATEMENT. I said only 2 KNOWN copies of this game about. We know this for a fact because nobody else here seems to have it or spoken up for it. Read what I'm saying Sir. 2 KNOWN copies. Which means in the Neo SCENE here. Only 2 people have the U.S. version of this game. Period. I was never questions Adol or said he lied. Which Adol himself MISUNDERSTOOD what I meant.

I said it plain and simple enough. Nick understood what I meant. Is is that hard for anyone else to understand a simple statement.

Jesus, Think about how I said that before you respond. I can understand Adol not getting what i meant because English is his 2nd langauge. LWK you should have understood from the get go. <IMG SRC="smilies/shame.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

I was stating my opinion on the release.
You need to lighten up a bit.
You took my response out of context. Re-read it.
I stated what "I" felt about the shady release.


"I said only 2 KNOWN"

I hear what your saying, but this was not the focus of your entire response.

"Which means in the Neo SCENE here. Only 2 people have the U.S. version of this game"

This statement should be on the price guide, as it states to being "unbiased" is it not impossible for it to unbiased when we are shooting towards one area of neo gamers? The ng.com ones?

"sigh* Once again you did not fully COMPREHEND MY STATEMENT."

Or maybe it was not you that understood my response.
That was not a personal attack as you like to see it, it was a observation.


"I can understand Adol not getting what i meant because English is his 2nd langauge. LWK you should have understood from the get go."

Now for one you do not know this.
How do you know english was not my second language also?

Another thing to take note, did SNK actually confirm this release? (MY QUESTION)

"I said it plain and simple enough. Nick understood what I meant. Is is that hard for anyone else to understand a simple statement."
Well this may be due to two simple things.

1)Nick knows you better then a few of us do (I for one barely know you)

2) The original statement was confusing.

<IMG SRC="smilies/shame.gif" border="0">

 

[Viewpoint]

Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:


I was stating my opinion on the release.
You need to lighten up a bit.
You took my response out of context. Re-read it.
I stated what "I" felt about the shady release.


"I said only 2 KNOWN"

I hear what your saying, but this was not the focus of your entire response.

"Which means in the Neo SCENE here. Only 2 people have the U.S. version of this game"

This statement should be on the price guide, as it states to being "unbiased" is it not impossible for it to unbiased when we are shooting towards one area of neo gamers? The ng.com ones?

"sigh* Once again you did not fully COMPREHEND MY STATEMENT."

Or maybe it was not you that understood my response.
That was not a personal attack as you like to see it, it was a observation.


"I can understand Adol not getting what i meant because English is his 2nd langauge. LWK you should have understood from the get go."

Now for one you do not know this.
How do you know english was not my second language also?

Another thing to take note, did SNK actually confirm this release? (MY QUESTION)

"I said it plain and simple enough. Nick understood what I meant. Is is that hard for anyone else to understand a simple statement."
Well this may be due to two simple things.

1)Nick knows you better then a few of us do (I for one barely know you)

2) The original statement was confusing.

<IMG SRC="smilies/shame.gif" border="0">[/qb]

Once again you're not getting it. My statement was 100% clear and concise as to what I meant. There was nowhere in what I said that only 2 copies of this game exist at all.

To say such a thing would be stupid because I know for a fact that SNK just doesn't release 2 to 3 copies of one game and that's it.

What I said was that there are only 2 Known copies meaning that only 2 people on this 'forum' have spoken up for having this U.S. version

Once again READ what is said instead of jumping the gun. I know there are probably at least 1000 copies of this game like Garou which had only 2000 copies at the most done on Home Cart. Suffice to say it's odd that this title hasn't surfaced more often then it should have.

Now do you understand what I'm saying? <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0">

Also...

Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:

<STRONG>1)Nick knows you better then a few of us do (I for one barely know you)

2) The original statement was confusing.</STRONG>

Blanie understood what I meant and as far as Nick goes, I met him for the 1st time in person last June. We didn't even speak much but, he's a nice guy if not bitter sometimes and to be honest, We don' talk to each other much. <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

[ August 05, 2001: Message edited by: BonusKun ]

 

[nick_th_fury]

Another thing to take note, did SNK actually confirm this release?

SNK say's whatever they think will get customers off the phone.

Protect it all you will, but IMO, any guide that promotes rarity & higher prices based upon speculation is a disservice to the Neo scene, gamers & collectors, world peace, and the manufacture of zero bars.

I feel that it's made with good intentions, but its just not working.

Hopefully, someday SNK will release production #'s of home carts as well as MVS.
Then we'll really know how rare some carts are..

 

[FTL]

Well it seems that none got the message of the SNK's ipothetical choice to convert some Kizuna and U 11 in jap for.

Also,European home carts were made in very limited run.

Anyway,the neo geo community is big out there...but you will find almost always the same old carts in the hand of neogeo owner.

The person who owns FFBros knows VERY well adol and if you want to have a complete coll you MUST be on line .
Infact it's impossible to get all home carts you need close to you.You HAVE to deal with seller around the world.

The rarity thing is quite accurate.
EVERY persons who comes here has some friends and will bring his experience here.

Also,you think Kizuna jap is not rare..it's indeed rare and expensive also in Japan.
So rarity and price are for it right.

The same goes for many titles...

 

[LWK]

Originally posted by BonusKun:
<STRONG>Blanie understood what I meant and as far as Nick goes, I met him for the 1st time in person last June. We didn't even speak much but, he's a nice guy if not bitter sometimes and to be honest, We don' talk to each other much. <IMG SRC="smilies/ohno.gif" border="0">

[ August 05, 2001: Message edited by: BonusKun ]</STRONG>

Well sometimes I can be a vengeful shit.
For one, I agree there are more, but the thing that irks me is Shawn's price guide, while it may be in good faith to collectors (of which its aimed to them). Its not extremely solid. There are obvious lose ends, I was one of those people that picked up a US Gowcaizer for about 300 or so. Which it is still listed for 500, the one I bought was sealed new from telegames UK.
(Insert was real, which it looked very strange when set next to my other newer style cases)
Now the main reason I question the price guide, is because like a few have stated in the past, its based upon what shawn and a few other have personally seen (well at least thats my view) and the problem is it controls auctions as well.
People buy games all the time here thinking the price guide is the official ultimate end.
What does a gamer see when he lays eyes upon it though?
A money maker, hell the price guide has such a influnece on ebay, I bet if we hosted a mvs price guide and put certain games up for the prices shawn has on mvs titles for example kof 94 for 50. (which you can get for almost nothing off ebay now) that game would fetch that ammount, even with a extrememly over produced game like kof 94.
So what about us gamers huh?
When Garou releases for "250" (those were the days <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0"> )
Then it rises up to 800+ it fucks the gamers, who do not want to put down almost a grand for a video game.
Truth be told, in a big way the collectors market has ruined the natural market.

This is the way I see it.
Collectors never want to easily see a kizuna us made affordable or easy to find, since its one of rarest games ever made. (and who would it fuels the "search")
What of the gamers who actually want to play this rare godly cart?
They got lost somewhere between 250 to 350...
I would not feel confortable playing a game I spent 800+ on.
I could get it if I wanted, but is 800 really worth any game? (Of course there is the rare this rare that etc opinion) I personally think thats way to much for plastic.
Thats a questionable view, but I feel that way.

 

[FTL]

Due to the rarity home cart market is now for collector,almost.

Mvs carts become the other way to go for players.

Look,LWK,I know some guys in Italy spending many $$$ to buid up their COLLECTION.
I own now about 20 home carts.I bought my neo back in 1990.
These persons started their neo adventure few months ago and they have now 50+home carts and growing.

 

[LWK]

Originally posted by FTL:
<STRONG>Due to the rarity home cart market is now for collector,almost.

Mvs carts become the other way to go for players.

Look,LWK,I know some guys in Italy spending many $$$ to buid up their COLLECTION.
I own now about 20 home carts.I bought my neo back in 1990.
These persons started their neo adventure few months ago and they have now 50+home carts and growing.</STRONG>

Oh yeah I agree completely. but what of the players who bought the HC system in hopes on the easy way to play, with a mvs you need a s-gun which to some people are crap at best, while the HC system is easier to manage.
Glad to hear of another person other then me that owns 20 carts also.
I got my share of mvs carts as well, I love them, but the most awful day comes when mvs has a hardcore collectors "EXPENSIVE" market, although there are many collectors.

 

[mookystains]

well, all i have to say is that nikke is a VERY good seller. Hes a nice guy.

 

[nick_th_fury]

Well it seems that none got the message of the SNK's ipothetical choice to convert some Kizuna and U 11 in jap for.

No, your mistaken I think.
We did hear you, and we agree with you.
However, we have no facts.

Facts positivly determine a market & drives prices.

All we have is speculation driving the "online" market.

IMO, that is why it is so up & down.

I just wish SNK would release production #'s.
& let us know.

I'm just grateful that their are people like you, Adol, & Shawn & many more doing their best to let us know what they know.

It's like a big Jigsaw puzzle, we don't have all the pieces.
As time goes by, more people bring their pices to the table, and we all get a better picture.

 

[vincewy]

I'll back it up with FTL's statement, Kizuna Encounter is rare, even the Jp version, take a look at this auction in Japan:
http://page.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/38849216

Earlier someone mentioned that they can get a lot of games in Japan for much less, this is largely true. However, some games are nearly impossible to find, such as:

Metal Slug (even 2 years ago few stores had them asked 100,000 Yen)

Chibimaruko Quiz (last time in Yahoo the game fetched almost 100,000 Yen, that was the only copy I've seen over the last 18 months)

Twinklestar Sprite (saw a few copies but each one is over 60,000 Yen)

Blazing Star (at leadt 60,000 Yen or more, BTW, J&L in NY has one now, keep in mind you save on shipping)
http://www.jnlgame.com/SystemFolder/NeoGeoCartPage.htm

Neo Turfmasters (haven't seen this one for a long, long time, if it comes out again, it'll fetch a lot)

Other so called rare titles such as Ninja Masters, Waku Waku 7, Ragnagard, and Breakers are kind of rare, but not crazy rare. BTW, Mark of the Wolves is not rare, I've seen this a lot and you kust need to be willing to shell out a lot to get it.

 

[marwic]

Nice japanese Yahoo auctions saw one guy there selling Metal Slug 1,2,X,3 AES carts for 150,000 yen total thats nice.

 

[FTL]

More,Vince:

Viewpoint japo cartridge is REALLY rare to find,very very hard.
Andro dunos the same.
Ninja commando jp really not easy to find.

All that in Japan I mean of course.

ChibiMaruko fetched 120000 jpyens and reserve not yet met...

Twinkle Star is super expensive.

And someone told that in Japan you can find easy a every home cart...

 

[Caris Nautilus]

Some people have to realize not all collectors out there use the net, and the ones that do may not come to this site, or ever heard of it.

I'd say a very small number of the total world neogeo collectors come to his site.

Hell out off the 1,000+ members on these board, how many of those members do you think accually owns a neo homecart system? I'd say less than 200 easily.

The games are all out there, just because they arent for sale on neo-geo.com or the internet for that matter doesn't mean they don't exist. The internet isn't the be all end all of the videogame world.

 

[neobuyer]

Nikke, you have mail! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Nikke is TOPS!!! A fantastic seller!

I realise that there are many collectors out there that DON'T visit this site, and many that DON'T find their carts online.

My question is:

How do they find their carts???

I guess if you bought all the carts at their time of original release, then you wouldn't need the net to find anything, but if it weren't for the internet, I wouldn't have been able to find hardly ANY home carts.

How do these collectors operate? I've actually been wondering about this lately.

 

[FTL]

Originally posted by neobuyer:
<STRONG>Nikke, you have mail! <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

BTW, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Nikke is TOPS!!! A fantastic seller!

I realise that there are many collectors out there that DON'T visit this site, and many that DON'T find their carts online.

My question is:

How do they find their carts???

I guess if you bought all the carts at their time of original release, then you wouldn't need the net to find anything, but if it weren't for the internet, I wouldn't have been able to find hardly ANY home carts.

How do these collectors operate? I've actually been wondering about this lately.</STRONG>

Thanks neobuyer.You marked very well out the reason why it's most likely to happen that almost all big collectors are on the net.
Every one who says that many big collectors are off line is wrong.
Simply.there is no way to complete a collection so.
ALSO,as I said,every collector who comes here is NOT alone.He has all his environment and background,so he is bringing here a small part of the neogeo world.

 

[Comrade Porn King Mikhail]

<STRONG>All we have is speculation driving the "online" market.</STRONG>

Indeed, capitalism at its best. Unfortunately for all those "private" collectors, it does not matter how "common" Metal Slug or other titles may be. As odds are increasingly against such a title being located in one's immediate area, the inflated internet price becomes the surest way of obtaining such a coveted piece for one's collecting/gaming desire.

<STRONG>I just wish SNK would release production #'s. & let us know. </STRONG>

Not to throw kerosine into the fire, but one of Dion's latest claims is that as part of his official business contacts with SNK-Japan, he has the production numbers for most of the home cart releases from the past few years. Perhaps someone with influence and personality could petition him to share the information officially?

<STRONG>It's like a big Jigsaw puzzle, we don't have all the pieces.
As time goes by, more people bring their pices to the table, and we all get a better picture.</STRONG>

Kind of makes one wish that a unified FAQ was posted and constantly updated as information comes to the front. I wouldn't mind seeing that on your webpage, Trey. It's be a great addition to an already impressive collector and homebrew gamer information archive.

Sincerely,

Mikhail

 

[Neo Bomber Man]

Originally posted by FTL:
<STRONG>More,Vince:

Viewpoint japo cartridge is REALLY rare to find,very very hard.
Andro dunos the same.
Ninja commando jp really not easy to find.

All that in Japan I mean of course.

ChibiMaruko fetched 120000 jpyens and reserve not yet met...

Twinkle Star is super expensive.

And someone told that in Japan you can find easy a every home cart...</STRONG>

Yes, in Japan you can go into used game stores pretty much everywhere and find Neo·Geo games. Although one will find many Fatal Fury & Samurai Shodown cartridges, you can still find "rare" games without too much trouble there. You just have to be willing to pay the high prices, like ¥70~¥80K for MotW that's not even mint. But shooters, they are nearly impossible to find there.

About Yahoo Japan, if you've been on it for a while, you could have seen how progressively rarer many games & Neo items in general have become. Pulstar would go for ¥30~¥35000, and was not at all so hard to find; WHP could be had for as little as ¥12000 on nearly a weekly basis, the Quiz games, well, if you're looking for them now, you've missed the boat: Ninja Masters for ¥4X000 and on it goes. Shopping in Tokyo & Osaka you will find many many games, seemingly more than anywhere else, but still you must go all over the country to get the rarest ones.

 

[marwic]

My words about the internet as contact for collectors. As i live in sweden and just started to try to gather some neo games for a decent collection it's quite impossible to to such if you don't use the internet for finding games.
Here the neogeo system been wiped of the map for years. Rarely see any systems for sale in the papers or at used game stores.

So for us the internet is a must, but on the other hand dunno how many that collects neo in sweden. (Anyone here onboard then contact me)

 

[FTL]

Originally posted by kiselgof:
<STRONG>[qb]All we have is speculation driving the "online" market.</STRONG>

Not to throw kerosine into the fire, but one of Dion's latest claims is that as part of his official business contacts with SNK-Japan, he has the production numbers for most of the home cart releases from the past few years. Perhaps someone with influence and personality could petition him to share the information officially?


Sincerely,

Mikhail[/QB]

.

Well if you got the real numbers of each home carts..you couldn't do ANYTHING.

Let's suppose that they made 4000 Kizuna Euro.Well you could never find one.
The same goes for U 11 euro.

Anyway,I speak from my 10 years experience in neogeo home carts world and even so I 'm fully aware that I know just a bit of the entire neogeo world.

CRay could show his proto carts,I don't care,but I know very well what it's rare and what's not.
And I know very well that the saddest thing is that they ened to really believe that NGF fake stuff could somehow replace original SNK stuff.

Carine,a great french neogeo collector is offering $2000 for a kizuna Euro,well the game is available at neo geo freak...

 

[Comrade Porn King Mikhail]

Originally posted by FTL:
<STRONG>
Well if you got the real numbers of each home carts..you couldn't do ANYTHING.</STRONG>

You're absolutely right, the release number would in no way help anyone obtain a particularly rare cartridge. However, it would at least possibly clear up the misconceptions that exist regarding the number of specific carts in existence.

The entire discussion over rarity of certain titles such as Kizuna Encounter is moot until it comes from the original source. Whoever currently owns a US Kizuna would be most wise to invest in a quality reproduction process similar to the after-market printing used on the US KOF2K (which was printed at a facility different from other recent SNK Japan printings), utilizing Kizuna MVS conversions to create picture perfect replicas to sell to the unaware general public for huge cash. Lots of bootlegging money to be made, that's for sure.

Sincerely,

Mikhail

 

[BioMotor_Unitron]

Originally posted by Lord Wolfgang Krauser:
I would take Adol's word first, he seems damned determined to the fact he has seen them.
He argued with shawn over this, and if I were him I would be pissed to see so many doubters over a game.

So shouting louder makes it more believable?

Lets see, there must be a LOAD of them some where if they are indeed real. Why?
You give me a good reason SNK would go to the trouble to produce only about 2 kizuna's?
BULLSHIT!

Many corporations do this for employees. Hasbro produced a limited run of five special Optimus Prime TransFormers for company execs, Ty did it with some Beanie Baby for employees, who is to say SNK USA might not have made a grand total of five, or even two U.S. Kizunas for in-house collectors, who later sold them?

 

[neobuyer]

UPDATE:

I just got an email from Nikke telling me that he's got a rare cart I asked him about - FOR EVEN LESS $$$ THAN WE ORIGINALLY AGREED UPON!

I think this officially makes Nikke the best Neo seller I've dealt with yet!

If you don't have all the Japanese Home Carts you need, do yourself a favor and buy 'em from Nikke!