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norton9478

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I also disagree that Trump is the beginning of this problem we're in...he's nothing more of yet another escalation of force in a long chain of events. This has been going on for decades with each step being more violent than the next.

I'd say that the Jim Crow era of american apartheid was more violent. Same for the Radical Left era of the 60's and early 70's.
 
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smokehouse

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Which nasty comments?

Defending ANTIFA...and playing dumb about Clinton and her notoriously nasty mouth? Her own party had to fuck over Sanders to give her the nod, she’s highly disliked, even in her own party. Are you too daft to recall her gall taking on Obama during his run for second term?

Jesus, dude, get a grip.




....or, are you just arguing with anything I say because of your dislike for me. Honestly, I can live with that, it would make more sense that your foolish attempt to defend ANTIFA.
 
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norton9478

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Type all you want and try to whitesplain to me about the virtue of racists and fascists, I don't want to hear it.


For the record, you can be conservative and be an anti-fascist. You can be a libertarian and be anti-fascist. You can be a socialist and be anti-fascist. You can be a devout religious person. You can be an anarchist. You can be an atheist. You can be a marxist. All you have to do is oppose fascism. All you have to do is recognize the threat that fascism, racism and authoritarianism poses to a free democratic republic.

Once the authoritarians and the fascists take over, it doesn't matter what you are. If you are in the way, you are expendable. Conservatives, Religius, Fair Tradists, Syndicalists, Libertarians, Believers in Science, Liberals, Socialists, Unionists, Pacifists. It don't matter.



As for hillary clinton. I assume this is the "Nasty" quote you are referring to:

"“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.”"

There is a saying....... A hit dog will holler. And I'm guessing the people yollwing about that sec clinton's comments are in the former "half" of her comments, and not the latter.
 
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ChopstickSamurai

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Honestly...America shouldn't be a place where anyone is afraid to wear any hat. It doesn't matter how one feels about it, its a fucking hat.

Hitler ruined the Charlie Chaplin mustache for all eternity. Red hats should hopefully be back in vogue in a couple years. :)

Yes, it’s a fucking hat. But our social networked fully triggered society will politicize anything. Even something as stupid as a fucking hat.
 

norton9478

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Just so we are clear... What exactly/specifically has "Antifa" done that is so scary?
 

LoneSage

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Just so we are clear... What exactly/specifically has "Antifa" done that is so scary?

Any black who has protested against the death of blacks at the hands (or knees) of police is Antifa. They're scary because they're black and they're pissed.
 

evil wasabi

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Just so we are clear... What exactly/specifically has "Antifa" done that is so scary?

They are the whataboutism boogeymen, to help certain people justify Trump’s actions, such as refusing to denounce white supremacists, or authoritarianism. Much like when someone says that Trump was a regular at Epstein’s parties, certain people will say “Joe Biden smells girls’ hair.” OxyContin for the soul.
 

SouthtownKid

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Just so we are clear... What exactly/specifically has "Antifa" done that is so scary?

All of you are talking about Antifa as if it was a group. It's not. It's a movement. Without structure or guidelines of any kind. If three high school students decide tomorrow they want to identify as Antifa...then boom, they're Antifa. With their own individual idea of what that entails. At best, they are a loosely confederated collection of mobs. Made up of everything from sincere true-believers to guys wanting to feel like they're living in an action movie and get laid. And mobs are intrinsically scary. If you're not an idiot and have paid even the slightest attention to history.

Are they the same as the Proud Boys? Helllllllllllllll no. But a mob is still a mob, with all the potential for sudden, directionless violence.

As for Antifa scariness, the instance that sticks out to me is that female Portland university professor and Antifa member calling out, "Hey, we need some muscle over here!" in regards to a homosexual Asian reporter who asked her some questions she didn't like before she called for students to assault and subsequently hospitalize him. Although honestly, it's the university professor part of that which bothers me much more than the Antifa part. A pathetic adult trying to recapture the romantic radicalism of her student years. While that particular story is somewhat undermined by the fact the reporter guy is a known douchebag agitator type, that doesn't change the ease of which the call to violence is made.

On a side note, I think stage is conflating BLM with Antifa.
 

SouthtownKid

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Wrong. Antifa is anti fascist. That's it. There is a wide diversity of political thought within the ANTIFA realm. What unites them in that they understand the threat posed by fascism and it's offshoots and are willing to go toe to toe.
Yeah, going so far as to employ fascist methods themselves when individuals in whatever subset deem it necessary.

The best strategy to beat one dangerous mob isn't by putting your faith in a different mob with a more noble sounding name.
 

norton9478

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There is no such thing as "Fascist Methods".

Authoritarian Fascists use any and every method to obtain and keep power. They use violence, They use passive resistance. They break the law, they hide behind the law. They blame victims, they play the victim. They use the democratic process, they subvert the democratic process. They play on fears, they use terror. They Write Books, they burn books.
 
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norton9478

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As for Antifa scariness, the instance that sticks out to me is that female Portland university professor and Antifa member calling out, "Hey, we need some muscle over here!" in regards to a homosexual Asian reporter who asked her some questions she didn't like before she called for students to assault and subsequently hospitalize him. Although honestly, it's the university professor part of that which bothers me much more than the Antifa part. A pathetic adult trying to recapture the romantic radicalism of her student years. While that particular story is somewhat undermined by the fact the reporter guy is a known douchebag agitator type, that doesn't change the ease of which the call to violence is made.

On a side note, I think stage is conflating BLM with Antifa.

Not Antifa
Not Portland.
 

SouthtownKid

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Not Antifa
Not Portland.
Where was it then? I admit it's been a while and I'm going off memory. And here's a heads up about Antifa: You don't get to decide who calls themselves that.

And oh, wait. It was Portland, and it was Antifa.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys

Ngo really does come off as an asshole. And his remarks afterward reveal him as a disingenuous agitator. And at the risk of victim-blaming, he probably was asking for it. Even hoping for it. But felony assault is still felony assault. And mobs have a long tradition of getting out of hand.

There is no such thing as "Fascist Methods".

Authoritarian Fascists use any and every method to obtain and keep power. They use violence, They use passive resistance. They break the law, they hide behind the law. They blame victims, they play the victim. They use the democratic process, they subvert the democratic process. They play on fears, they use terror. They Write Books, they burn books.
Okay, I should have said "authoritarian methods". And in addition to playing off fears, breaking the law, hiding behind the law, using violence, etc., they also subvert free speech and silence opposing voices. Just because one mob is awful doesn't mean you can hand wave another. And you make it sound like authoritarianism only exists on one extreme of the political spectrum.

I used to think you were older. Like maybe somewhere in your 30s or something. But you've made it clear over the past year or so, starting with that David Lee Roth "cultural misappropriation" bullshit, that you're just an 18 year old in your first year of university, and you've just encountered coffee and clove cigarettes for the first time. Enjoy yourself. You'll never have a more free time in your life.
 

evil wasabi

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There is no such thing as "Fascist Methods".

Authoritarian Fascists use any and every method to obtain and keep power. They use violence, They use passive resistance. They break the law, they hide behind the law. They blame victims, they play the victim. They use the democratic process, they subvert the democratic process. They play on fears, they use terror. They Write Books, they burn books.

They post lots of text and bury opposition text.
 

norton9478

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Where was it then? I admit it's been a while and I'm going off memory. And here's a heads up about Antifa: You don't get to decide who calls themselves that.

And oh, wait. It was Portland, and it was Antifa.

You were conflating it with this:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v...a_hey_hey_ho_ho_reporters_have_got_to_go.html



https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/7/3/20677645/antifa-portland-andy-ngo-proud-boys

Ngo really does come off as an asshole. And his remarks afterward reveal him as a disingenuous agitator. And at the risk of victim-blaming, he probably was asking for it. Even hoping for it. But felony assault is still felony assault. And mobs have a long tradition of getting out of hand.




Okay, I should have said "authoritarian methods". And in addition to playing off fears, breaking the law, hiding behind the law, using violence, etc., they also subvert free speech and silence opposing voices. Just because one mob is awful doesn't mean you can hand wave another. And you make it sound like authoritarianism only exists on one extreme of the political spectrum.

REmember that provoking violence, and playing victim is one of the favorite "fascist methods".


I'm all for milkshaking fascists. And maybe some physical harassment (of a fascist).

It would only make me "SAME DIFFERENCE" fascist for doing so if I think that the perpetrators of those actions should not bear the criminal consequences of their actions.
 
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SouthtownKid

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Ah, sorry. You're right.

I'm all for milkshaking fascists. And maybe some physical harassment (of a fascist).

It would only make me "SAME DIFFERENCE" fascist for doing so if I think that the perpetrators of those actions should not bear the criminal consequences of their actions.
"Punching a nazi" as the Antifa slogan goes, is not really the worst pastime in the world. The problem is the sliding scale of what constitutes a nazi and/or general fascist. Especially when the person making the judgement in the moment is just a kid with his emotions whipped up by the excitement of the day and all the people around him. Emotion clouds thought to the point that people end up harassing someone who is ten billion bazillion miles away from being any kind of fascist, like Sam Harris. I mean, you can't want that.

You need to be deeply distrustful of mobs. Any mobs.
 

Lagduf

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We need to be distrustful of any group that uses violence to achieve its political ends especially when they attempt to argue their position from some kind of moral high ground.
 

wyo

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We need to be distrustful of any group that uses violence to achieve its political ends especially when they attempt to argue their position from some kind of moral high ground.

The left used to care about free speech for all.

 
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Lagduf

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I did read a moron on the left once criticizing the ACLU for supporting free speech of Nazis, KKK, etc.

I knew in that moment that the possibility that we would all die on this rock before reaching the stars was very high.

Please Vulcans make contact and save us.
 

norton9478

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I believe in equal protection under the law (including Nazis).

You also have to recognize the danger that fascists, authoritarians and nationalists pose.

A lot of people didn't even recognize the danger that Donald Trump posed to American Society, National Security and our democratic institutions. Just enough of them caught on just in time.
 

evil wasabi

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I believe in equal protection under the law (including Nazis).

You also have to recognize the danger that fascists, authoritarians and nationalists pose.

A lot of people didn't even recognize the danger that Donald Trump posed to American Society, National Security and our democratic institutions. Just enough of them caught on just in time.

The casual dissemination of top secret intelligence to a rival world leader who was paying bounties for US “suckers and losers” was damning.
 
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