The NEW Market FAQ is coming....

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
I am revising the market rules... to reflect the forum as it is in it's current state....

This is the current Market faq:


These rules supersede any previous Market Rules. Official changes will be made to the first post (this post) of this thread and the accompanying thread in SNK Selling.

---------

The Neo-Geo.com Market Forum Rules
Thank you for your interest in participating in the Market forums. Before you proceed, please read and adhere to the following rules and requirements.

1. General Provisions

1.1. By choosing to do business on these Market forums (å￾￾orums?, members of these forums (ç♥¥ser? are willfully consenting to the rules stated in this post (é›»ocument?.

1.2. All transactions and interactions on these forums are governed by the rules set forth in this document.

1.3. These rules are subject to enforcement by the Moderators and Administrators of the Neo-Geo.com forums. Enforcement will be on a case-by-case basis. Decisions on how rules will be enforced or interpreted, and/or any associated punishment, is left to the discretion of the Moderators and Administrators.
2. Seller Requirements

2.1. A seller is any user who sells items of any kind on the forums.

2.2. Any user who wants to sell or trade through the forums shall meet the following requirements: they shall have been a member for at least one month and/or have a post count of at least 100 posts. Any user attempting to take advantage of the non-Market forums to meet these requirements will be subject to action by Moderators and Administrators.

2.3. Sellers with insufficient (little or no) feedback and/or posts may be asked to ship items first (ship items before payment is sent), or allow local pickup. Sellers with insufficient feedback and/or posts who refuse to ship first or to allow local pickup can be identified as scammers by forum members, and will be subject to deletion or banning by the Moderators and Administrators. An example of the situation may be found here: http://www.neo-geo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171696.

2.4. Users who commit scams using the forums may have their account restricted or deleted by the Moderators and Administrators. Offending accounts may be marked with reference to the transaction.

2.4.1. Moderators and Administrators have the discretion to permit a probation period for the offending user to acceptably rectify the situation.

2.4.2. Any user who commits a scam on this website forfeits all privacy rights to their name, address and any other discoverable personal information until the situation has been acceptably rectified. Any such information can be posted on the forums, resulting in public availability on web search engines (e.g. Google).

2.5. Any user who commits a scam outside of the forums may be subject to having their account restricted or deleted by the Moderators and Administrators for the safety and protection of other members.

2.6. Any user who has no interest in being a member of the community should not join the forum just to sell their items. These forums are not meant to be an equivalent of eBay or Yahoo! Auctions. Any user suspected of this kind of behavior may be subject to actions by Moderators and Administrators.
3. Definition of Common Sales Terms

3.1. FS = For Sale

3.2. FT = For Trade

3.3. FA = For Auction

3.4. WTB = Want to Buy

3.5. WTT = Want to trade for

3.5. Condition scale. For SNK and Neo Geo-related items, please refer to the scale provided by the Neo Store: http://www.neostore.com/store/scale.html For other items, try to adapt the Neo Store scale to non-SNK and Neo Geo-related items. This will allow a minimum of buyer/seller/trader confusion.
4. Forums

4.1. (SNK) Neo Selling Items permitted for sale include any SNK released game for the Arcade (including PCBs and complete cabinets), Neo Geo AES/NGH (home cartridge), Neo Geo MVS (arcade cartridge), Neo Geo CD, Neo Geo Hyper 64, Neo Geo Pocket (B&W or Color), the various ports to other Systems SNK released (e.g. Twinkle Star Sprites for the DC, Guerilla War for the NES), any SNK released hardware, third party products that works with SNK systems, and any SNK collectible such as key chains, art books, etc. Only items offered for sale (or auction) should be listed here.

4.2. (SNK) Neo Wanted This forum is an opportunity for users to post wanted (to buy or trade) requests for items that qualify under the (SNK) Neo Selling forum. Such want ads or trade lists should NOT be associated with items listed for sale in another forum.

4.3. Everything Else Buy/sell/trade any items not listed in the (SNK) Neo forums; not limited to video games.

4.3.1. Zelda doll trading forum (ZDTF) As a subset of Everything Else, ZDTF is for sales and trade of all arcade hardware and software. MVS hardware and software may be listed in (SNK) Neo Selling. Zelda dolls may also be traded here, however no Neutropia.
4.4. Off-Site Commerce Any off-site sales, including but not limited to eBay auctions, Amazon listings, Craigslist, etc, should be listed here regardless of what is being sold.

4.4.1. Off-site commerce includes auction sites (e.g. eBay, Yahoo!, GameGavel, etc), other online marketplaces (e.g. Amazon, Craigslist, Kijiji, etc), other forums, or anything similar where items for sale are not exclusive to this website (on-site).

4.4.2. A user who has started a bona fide FS or FT thread in one of our other forums (Neo Selling, Everything Else, ZDTF) and, after a reasonable period of time (See ァ 4.4.3.), decides to move the remaining items into an off-site location (See ァ 4.4.1.), may make the change in the original FS or FT thread and is not required to have it moved to Off-Site Commerce. In addition, a user who has moved items to off-site sales in accordance to this rule may additionally create a new thread in Off-Site Commerce to advertise the items that were moved to off-site sales.

4.4.3. Anyone who abuses the "reasonable period of time" clause of ァ 4.4.3. will be subject to action by Moderators and Administrators. Do not try to game the system.

4.4.4. Users may post links to off-site sales that are not their own. Anyone suspecting of spamming or otherwise abusing this rule will be subject to action by Moderators and Administrators.

4.4.5. Users who ignore Off-Site Commerce and post or abuse the rules to promote off-site commerce in the other forums will be subject to action by Moderators and Administrators.

4.5. Feedback Forum This forum allows users to note whether they had a good or bad experience with a seller or buyer and want to notify others about the experience. Abuse of this forum is subject to action by Moderators and Administrators. See ァ 7.1.2.

5. Items that may NOT be sold through the forums

5.1. Any item that violates established intellectual property rights, including copyright, trademark or patent, is prohibited and subject to immediate removal by Moderators and Administrators. These include, but are not limited to:

5.1.1. 釘ootleg versions of games, including but not limited to those on MVS.

5.1.2. Any home-copied versions of games, including but not limited those burned onto CD-R.

5.2. Conversions of games from one format to another may not be sold, including but not limited to MVS games converted into an AES cartridge

5.3. Sales of the copies of artwork, manuals, mini-marquee, etc. are prohibited. If you are going to sell photocopies of artwork or manuals, they may not be sold in the forum. You may only list them in the forum if you are giving them away for free (not making a profit on them).

6. Additional Forum Rules

6.1. The location field of a userç—´ profile should CORRECTLY identify where the user is located. Users in the United States, its Territories or Canada should provide City and State/Province. Users located outside of the US, its Territories or Canada should provide City and Country.

6.2. Market forums are for buying, selling, and trading only. They are not for extraneous discussion. Please post outside discussions in the proper forum outside of the Market forums.

6.3. Within the Market forums, threads regarding good or bad experiences with a seller or buyer should be posted in the Feedback Forum.

6.4. Sales threads should not be æ¾±umped (posted in by the seller to move to the top of the forum) for 24 hours. This includes having someone else bump oneç—´ thread. The only exception is for update indicating that something is no longer for sale or available.

6.5. No user may have more than one current thread in each of the three sales-related Market forums (SNK Selling, SNK Wanted, Everything Else). If a user has multiple items for sale (or that they want to buy or trade), they should list them all in one thread.

6.6. If all items listed in a sales thread are sold (or that are wanted have been bought), please update that thread to let other users know.

6.7. There is to be no è￾Ÿoisoning of other users sales threads, e.g.: if a seller is selling something for $100, posting that the same item is available eBay for $70 would be considered è￾Ÿoisoning the thread. These forums operate under the view that it is each buyerç—´ responsibility to research the fair market price for an item.

6.7.1. There is only an exception if the seller has been identified as a scammer.
6.8. Do not disrupt another sellerç—´ thread unless the seller has been identified as a scammer.

6.9. Selling threads regarding auctions should be identified as such in the title.

6.10. The titles for all threads should clearly state what is for sale, wanted or trade. Vague and/or misleading titles are subject to action by Moderators and Administrators.

6.11. Only list items for sale that are actually in your possession. Do not list items that are for a friend or other third party unless the item is actually in your possession.

6.12. If you are advertising auctions on other websites (e.g. eBay), please refrain from selling the item on these forums and closing those auctions early.

6.13. Whenever possible, please post photos of your items for sale. Please comply with requests to provide photos of items. New and/or suspicious users may be asked to post a photo of the item with a piece of paper showing the date the photo was taken. This may be requested as evidence that a user actually possesses the item. Refusing to post a photo when requested may result in users reporting the offender as a scammer and action by Moderators and Administrators.

6.14. Users should ALWAYS describe the condition of boxes, manuals, discs, carts, etc. Be sure to note if the items being sold are complete, loose, has manual, back cover, etc. Deception is not tolerated; e.g., if a listing has photos of the front of a cartridge, but there is a Blockbuster sticker on the back, it should be clearly noted in the description.

6.15. Users must list their shipping methods. If using media mail, buyers should be informed before they agree to complete the transaction.

6.16. Always ship using some method of tracking. When using UPS, FedEx, or DHL, tracking is almost always included. However, when using USPS (United States Postal Service), use delivery confirmation if tracking is not otherwise available. It only costs $.50 to add é›»elivery confirmation, and it may prevent confusion during a transaction will help prevent a user from being labeled a scammer if the item is æ–—ost in the mail.

6.17. Sellers should list forms of acceptable payment. Note: Most users on this site use PayPal, thus sellers should make it clear if they do not accept PayPal. Sellers should note if they accept money orders, cash, and checks. It is acceptable to wait for personal checks to clear.

7. Feedback

7.1. Feedback left in the forums may only be left for transactions conducted through the forums. This means that there must be a thread in the Market forums which provided the basis of the transaction. There are two exceptions:

7.1.1. Transactions occurring outside of the forums that include a thread in the Market forums. For example: if a person sells an item on eBay, feedback should be left for that transaction on eBay, not in these forums. However, if a person lists an item for sale on eBay and this forum, then feedback may be left for the transaction in both eBay and this forum.

7.1.2. Any scam, anywhere by anyone, may be reported in our Feedback Forum as a warning to users in the Community.
7.2. When leaving feedback, one must list the thread that served as the basis of the transaction.

7.3. Abuse of the feedback function, e.g. leaving negative feedback without cause, will cause offending users to be subject to action by Moderators and Administrators.

7.3.1. Anyone receiving unwarranted feedback should report the action to a Moderator or Administrator for correction.

Edit / Delete Edit Post Quick reply to this message Reply Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Multi-Quote This Message
12-25-2011, 07:05 PM


... It's time to bring the Market upto Spec...

The New Faq will be posted in a few days... and you will have an opportunity to contribute to it's final form...

HOWEVER... I want to make it clear... it's MY vision of how the forum works...

...not everything is Black and White OR Clear Cut... and grey areas will exist...

These areas will be subject to interpretation...

xROTx
 

cdamm

Trust the French?
10 Year Member
Joined
Apr 1, 2011
Posts
10,587
where is the section for pm'ing you with all queries and questions regarding the rules and whether or not they apply to the person that signed up a week ago for the marketplace?
 

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
where is the section for pm'ing you with all queries and questions regarding the rules and whether or not they apply to the person that signed up a week ago for the marketplace?

Heh...

Believe it or not... People PM me their issues all the time... and I try to resolve them...

It's the dumbass ones asking for name/rank/general bullshit Pm's that will earn you my ire...

xROTx

PS. My PM box is not for the foolhardy... real important shit... or face my foot in your ass...
 

mjmjr25

went home to be a family man
10 Year Member
Joined
Dec 18, 2010
Posts
2,866
Too long imo.

NG isn't obligated to allow or disallow trading, buying, or selling and the more rules you have the more you affiliate the site with the actual deals and subsequent BAD deals that may occur. Less is more.

Rules:
-All sales and trades are at your own risk.
-NG.com is not involved or responsible in anyway for private deals arranged between members.

From there - let the community sort out things as they see fit.
 

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
Too long imo.

NG isn't obligated to allow or disallow trading, buying, or selling and the more rules you have the more you affiliate the site with the actual deals and subsequent BAD deals that may occur. Less is more.

Rules:
-All sales and trades are at your own risk.
-NG.com is not involved or responsible in anyway for private deals arranged between members.

From there - let the community sort out things as they see fit.

I agree Mike...

The FAQ is TOO long and convoluted...

However, there need to be certain things that will need to be pointed out....

For MONTHS.. members have been beating the same old drum of "ITS NOT IN THE MARKET RULES..."...

WELL... I am making the next set of Market Rules... It aint going to be too hard to live by them... and my replacment (when needed) will have a fookin' easier job than me to maintain the market place...

xROTx
 

F4U57

General Morden's Aide
20 Year Member
Joined
Feb 25, 2004
Posts
7,632
What is different from the original?

It's too long and I can't be bothered to compare.
 

Syn

There can be only one.
10 Year Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Posts
9,079
Well thought out but too long(thanks for doing it).

I like Mike's thinking with the addition of mentioning the mod's ability to stick their nose in any transaction and handle it as they see fit.
 

evil wasabi

The Jongmaster
20 Year Member
Joined
Aug 20, 2000
Posts
60,434
Too long imo.

NG isn't obligated to allow or disallow trading, buying, or selling and the more rules you have the more you affiliate the site with the actual deals and subsequent BAD deals that may occur. Less is more.

Rules:
-All sales and trades are at your own risk.
-NG.com is not involved or responsible in anyway for private deals arranged between members.

From there - let the community sort out things as they see fit.

I am glad Rot has taken a stab at cleaning up the rules. If it's too long, then roll the dice and don't read it. Chances are you'll be fine. But if you don't do things right, we want something to point to in order to enforce standards and protect the people on the market, before we fuck you in the ass and refuse you the reach around.

Thanks Rot.
 

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
DRAFT RULE SET....

This is a DRAFT RULE SET:

It is simpler and more concise... you may ask for things to be put in it...

Here goes:

NG.com Market Rules

Hello Lads and Lassies. This is the new Market Forum Rule Set.

Let's get a few things out of the way:

A) FIRSTLY, All sales and trades are at your own risk. It is your responsibility to ensure you are involved in a legitimate deal.
B) NG.com is not involved or responsible in any way for private deals arranged between members.

SO, Let's get to it:

1. Who can use the Market?
The Market is open to all members who have achieved PM privileges. However, Members who are seen to be just using Neo-Geo.com to access the Market place maybe subject to account restriction.

2. For Sales Threads. (FS)
a) ALL prices must be put on each item.
b) Pictures are optional (but recommended).
c) Postage Costs should be included if possible.
d) Sold Prices must be left on after a sale completion.
e) The user has a RIGHT to discriminate on who they deal with.

3. Other Market Threads.
a) MMAO threads are NOT allowed.
b) Trade Threads are allowed but must be clearly stated as such.
c) Wanted To Buy threads are also allowed.

4. General Rules.
a) Thread poisoning is frowned upon but will be dealt with on a case to case basis.
b) NO FAKE Market threads.
c) If you are caught Scamming/Flipping you will be subject to a review of your account and disciplinary action.
d) Bootlegs/Conversions etc etc is a very grey area and you should ask before you include them in a Market thread.

Some general notes:

Currently the Market is overseen by the entire memberbase and as such you will be scrutinised by them. However, the LAST word is with the Mod Team.

If you are unsure how to proceed then ASK someone, mainly one of the mod team.

The current Market Mod is this guy: Rot

However, you may contact any of the mod team if you want.

xROTx

PS. These rules are subject to revision at ANY time and should be used as a guide to how the Market works.

The Market can be a very grey area on the forums and will be subject to the Mods reviewing individual cases.


PLEASE feel free to express your views and I shall consider adding them.

xROTx
 

bubba966

Cinema Ninja!,
Joined
Sep 24, 2013
Posts
1,542
Looks pretty good to me. Doesn't touch on the PayPal issue that's... annoying to say the least.

And I'm talking about the request or straight out demand of people saying "must use PP gift or add 4%". That's a common practice here, which I've not encountered anywhere else I've done business. Not only that but it's something that's forbidden by PP (the asking for PP gift part of it is). And for US transactions the PP fee isn't even 4%, is 2.9% + $0.50.

If you want $50 shipped for something use thefeecalculator.com to figure out what to ask for so that after PP fees are taken out you've got your $50. Don't pull the "pp gift or 4%" crap.

I don't care who you are or how many times I've dealt with you, but PP Gift isn't happening. Not to say I won't pay the fees most times, but please just ask for a $ including the damn fees.
 
Last edited:

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
Looks pretty good to me. Doesn't touch on the PayPal issue that's... annoying to say the least.

And I'm talking about the request or straight out demand of people saying "must use PP gift or add 4%". That's a common practice here, which I've not encountered anywhere else I've done business. Not only that but it's something that's forbidden by PP (the asking for PP gift part of it is). And for US transactions the PP fee isn't even 4%, is 2.9% + $0.50.

If you want $50 shipped for something use thefeecalculator.com to figure out what to ask for so that after PP fees are taken out you've got your $50. Don't pull the "pp gift or 4%" crap.

Yeah... good point...

I may add the line:

"NO PAYPAL GIFTS. ITEM and SHIPPING PRICES SHOULD REFLECT THE INCLUSION OF PAYPAL FEES."

xROTx
 

F4U57

General Morden's Aide
20 Year Member
Joined
Feb 25, 2004
Posts
7,632
Having both parties comfortable with the Paypal fees ensures buyer and seller transparency. A gift is a gift is a gift - if you don't receive your goods or they're not as described, Paypal will rarely consider a case as you did not pay for goods, you just gave someone money.
 

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
Having both parties comfortable with the Paypal fees ensures buyer and seller transparency. A gift is a gift is a gift - if you don't receive your goods or they're not as described, Paypal will rarely consider a case as you did not pay for goods, you just gave someone money.

I agree with you tbh....

I think I am banning paypal gifts... so everyone knows where they stand...

The current sales threads may stay unedited... but anything from now will need to adhere to the new paypal rule.

xROTx
 

WNivek

Overtop Pathfinder
Joined
Apr 5, 2016
Posts
104
In reading the new rule set, I am unclear what constitutes 'Thread Poisoning'. It's clearly something Bad, I'm just not sure what flavors of Bad it encompasses.
 

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
In reading the new rule set, I am unclear what constitutes 'Thread Poisoning'. It's clearly something Bad, I'm just not sure what flavors of Bad it encompasses.

That's upto us to decide...

I have purposely left things open to interpretation... The issue with the last rules set is people kept using it to beat me over the head with because it was pretty detailed...

As long as you trust the current mod team or the guy in charge... it should be OK...

xROTx
 

Syn

There can be only one.
10 Year Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Posts
9,079
Unlike Bubba, most marketplaces I've used allows either pp fees or gifting (I can't think of a place that doesn't tbh). Gifting should be upto the buyer. EG bought my XRGB Mini and decided to gift. We may disagree...often, but I'm not out to fuck people over and he knows that. Nothing unusual occurred with our deal anyways.

I think if the seller's OP mentions that fees or gifts are part of the deal, all's good and buyer beware. If someone says gift only, I say bite me and don't deal with them.
 

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
Unlike Bubba, most marketplaces I've used allows either pp fees or gifting (I can't think of a place that doesn't tbh). Gifting should be upto the buyer. EG bought my XRGB Mini and decided to gift. We may disagree...often, but I'm not out to fuck people over and he knows that. Nothing unusual occurred with our deal anyways.

I think if the seller's OP mentions that fees or gifts are part of the deal, all's good and buyer beware. If someone says gift only, I say bite me and don't deal with them.

I appreciate that mister Syn_Bios... but this way... EVERYONE knows where they stand...

NO Paypal gifts... end of story... So there will none of the cases where we have to fight it out because someone sent a Paypal gift and can't find any way of re-imbursement...

xROTx
 

wyo

King of Spammers
10 Year Member
Joined
May 22, 2013
Posts
10,114
You shouldn't mandate Paypal Goods. It should be at the discretion of the parties.

At least put this up for discussion before adding it to the rules on the basis of one member's suggestion.

Regardless of how you feel about this (or any) issue, rules should be enforceable. There's no way for you to determine how payment was made, therefore such a rule is unenforceable.
 
Last edited:

Rot

Calvin & Hobbes, ,
Joined
Jul 8, 2003
Posts
11,441
You shouldn't mandate Paypal Goods. It should be at the discretion of the parties.

At least put this up for discussion before adding it to the rules on the basis of one member's suggestion.

Regardless of how you feel about this (or any) issue, rules should be enforceable. There's no way for you to determine how payment was made, therefore such a rule is unenforceable.

Oh... I know deals are done in the background... via PM...

And if you guys choose to deal that way... FINE.... I don't mind it...

However, I choose to specify the Paypal fees need to be added to a sales thread because I have always felt that the Paypal Gift stuff can lead to situ's I don't like...

I also appreciate that if a GOOD seller sends an item and someone claims against that transaction for any reason... then at least you have a chance to fight your corner...

UNLIKE paypal gift....

xROTx
 

Syn

There can be only one.
10 Year Member
Joined
Jan 21, 2009
Posts
9,079
I hear you Rot. Not every deal is between people who kind of know each other and would work things out privately.

Not allowing or strongly recommending not to gift is the safest for all.
 

kitkit.com

Ace Ghost Pilot
15 Year Member
Joined
Jun 21, 2004
Posts
1,309
Great job Rot! Simple and concise.

Would you consider adding Rule 6.5 in the original thread?

"6.5. No user may have more than one current thread in each of the three sales-related Market forums (SNK Selling, SNK Wanted, Everything Else). If a user has multiple items for sale (or that they want to buy or trade), they should list them all in one thread."
 
Top