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Nothing new that we haven't discussed here before, but figured another thread of angry fist waving at police won't harm us

Cops Use Traffic Stops To Seize Millions From Drivers Never Charged With A Crime
Nick Sibilla Nick Sibilla, Contributor

License, registration—and your cash.

A deputy for the Humboldt County’s Sheriff Office in rural Nevada has been accused of confiscating over $60,000 from drivers who were never charged with a crime. These cash seizures are now the subject of two federal lawsuits and are the latest to spotlight a little-known police practice called civil forfeiture.


Civil forfeiture allows law enforcement to seize property (including cash and cars) without having to prove the owners are guilty. Last September, Tan Nguyen was pulled over for driving three miles over the speed limit, according to a suit he filed. Deputy Lee Dove asked to search the car but Nguyen said he declined. Dove claimed he smelled marijuana but couldn’t find any drugs. The deputy then searched the car and found a briefcase containing $50,000 in cash and cashier’s checks, which he promptly seized. According to the Associated Press, Nguyen said he won that cash at a casino.

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Nguyen was not arrested or charged with a crime—not even a traffic citation. In the suit, Dove threatened to seize and tow Nguyen’s car unless he “got in his car and drove off and forgot this ever happened.” That would have left Nguyen stranded in the Nevada desert.

Almost three months later, Ken Smith was also pulled over for speeding. During the stop, Deputy Dove performed a warrant check and found a warrant for a Ken Smith. On that basis, Dove detained Smith. But according to a lawsuit filed by Smith, the Ken Smith on the warrant had a different birthday and was black. The pulled-over Smith was white. As the lawsuit puts it, Smith “should have been cited for speeding and let go, if there was probable cause for speeding violations.”


Instead, Smith was “unarrested” and allowed to leave with his car if he signed a waiver to surrender $13,800 in cash he had in the vehicle. The Humboldt County Sheriff’s office also seized a .40 caliber Ruger handgun from Smith, though Smith claimed he did not waive his right to that firearm.

After their experiences, both lawsuits argue these stops and cash seizures violate the Fourth Amendment’s right to freedom from unreasonable search and seizure. Americans for Forfeiture Reform has links to the two suits filed against the deputy.

The incentives behind civil forfeiture make accusations like these all too plausible. Nevada has scant protections for property owners against forfeiture abuse, according to “Policing for Profit,” a report published by the Institute for Justice (IJ). Police can seize property under a legal standard lower than the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard used in criminal convictions. Owners bear the burden of proof, meaning they have to prove their innocence in court. In addition, law enforcement agencies keep 100 percent of the forfeiture proceeds. While they are required to keep records on forfeiture, Nevada law enforcement refused to provide IJ with such information.

Nor is Nevada an outlier. Twenty-five other states allow police to pocket all of the proceeds from civil forfeiture. Property owners must prove their innocence in civil forfeiture proceedings in 37 other states.

“Asset forfeiture today, the way it exists federally, as well as in many states, is an institutional corruption,” said Judge Jim Gray, who had three decades of experience on the bench in California. Now retired and a member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, Gray would rather see forfeiture proceeds funneled to a specific neutral fund like education or feeding the homeless. “None of the [forfeiture] money should go to law enforcement. That provides them an inappropriate incentive,” he continued.

Across the country, institutional incentives have led to police misconduct. Virginia State Police stopped Victor Luis Guzman for speeding on I-95 and seized $28,500 from him. But law enforcement didn’t ticket or charge him with any crime. A church secretary, Guzman said he was transporting the cash for his church. The money in question was from parishioners’ donations. He was able to retrieve the cash only after an attorney who served in the Justice Department’s Asset Forfeiture Office during the Reagan administration took his case pro bono.


In a similar vein, police in Tenaha, Tex. stopped hundreds of predominantly African American and Hispanic drivers and seized about $3 million from them. If drivers refused to cooperate, police would then threaten to file “baseless criminal charges,” according to the ACLU, which settled a class action lawsuit against the town in 2012. The New Yorker reported that cops even threatened drivers, that, if they didn’t turn over their cash, their children could be taken by Child Protective Services.

Unsurprisingly, seizing cash from traffic stops can earn millions for law enforcement. Two of the biggest moneymakers in the country were Sheriffs Bob Vogel and Bill Smith. Vogel seized $6.5 million in cash from cars going southbound on I-95 in Volusia County, Florida. But usually the cars that smuggled drugs went northbound. Plus, part of the “drug courier” profile for Sheriff Vogel “was that cars obeying the speed limit were suspect—their desire to avoid being stopped made them stand out.” The Orlando Sentinel later found that in three out of every four cases, no charges were filed. Ninety percent of the seizures involved African Americans or Latinos.

About two hours up north on I-95 was Sheriff Smith’s forfeiture corridor in Camden County, Ga. The sheriff seized more than $20 million over two decades, with most of the money coming from intercepting cars on the highway. As mentioned in the video below, Smith would use these proceeds to make ridiculous purchases, including a $90,000 Dodge Viper and paying convicts to build him a “party house.” As Kevin Drum at Mother Jones put it, “‘forfeiture corridors’ are the new speed traps.”

Cops’ desire for fast cash cannot trump the Constitution. It’s time to end policing for profit.
 
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....figured another thread of angry fist waving at police won't harm us

Agree. Fuck pigs.

Last year I spent 2 grand on traffic tickets/paralegals and received 7 demerit points from TWO infractions. That was 2 points away from losing my fucking license and enough of a heatscore to jump my insurance by 30-50%

And what did I do?
I failed to come to a complete stop at an empty intersection and I drove 120km/h on the trans canada highway where everyone else drives 130 to a buck forty. Whoopdeefuckingdoo.

And just so we're clear on where I stand: fuck traffic pigs. Fuck them so very much.
 
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Wow. I've always considered the highway patrol to be little more than state tax collectors with guns, but I had no idea that this kind of stuff was going on. I can't imagine ever having a ton of money on me, but if I do, I'll be sure to take the shortest route possible to the nearest bank.
 

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That shit makes me sick.
 

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so when the police issue a ticket what percentage of that goes back to the police?
 

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None of this surprises me.

Also, everyone in the North where it is thawing should be taking it easy out there. This winter, with all the snow along the sides of the road that has been blocking patrol spots, should expect a higher police presence, as they will need to make up for what will be a light quarter in March and likely into April as well. I know I've calmed my driving down more than usual and sure enough, there have been many more cops doing traffic stops.

They don't have quotas, but they sure as hell have budgets with revenue targets.
 

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Nothing new that we haven't discussed here before, but figured another thread of angry fist waving at police won't harm us

Wait a second...

While I'll be the first to say there are many crooked cops out there and that speeding tickets in the guise of public safety are no more than asshole tax...I'm also going to say that the article is a bit skewed.

Of the two guys mentioned...one had $50K on him and the other a gun and $13.8K...

Now...I'm not saying that having a large sum of $$ automatically makes one a criminal...but come on here, there's more to this story than they're saying...
 
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Plus, part of the “drug courier” profile for Sheriff Vogel “was that cars obeying the speed limit were suspect—their desire to avoid being stopped made them stand out.”

This is the best part. XD
 

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This civil forfeiture thing is news to me...Like I knew pigs would do this but I had no idea how official you guys make it down there.

How is this different from armed robbery?
 

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This civil forfeiture thing is news to me...Like I knew pigs would do this but I had no idea how official you guys make it down there.

How is this different from armed robbery?

Yeah, I had no idea either, this is truly insane. I'm almost fucking speechless. Just taking $50k from someone...man that could drive a dude to do some insane shit.
 

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feels great living in a place where the cops give zero fucks

at the same time, FFFFFFUCK these unchecked drivers and their absolutely rude, entitled attitudes
 

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Wait a second...

While I'll be the first to say there are many crooked cops out there and that speeding tickets in the guise of public safety are no more than asshole tax...I'm also going to say that the article is a bit skewed.

Of the two guys mentioned...one had $50K on him and the other a gun and $13.8K...

Now...I'm not saying that having a large sum of $$ automatically makes one a criminal...but come on here, there's more to this story than they're saying...

Maybe, that is a lot of money.

However, what if the person in question was a vendor at a trade show driving back home with the cash sales they made? Or, if they were meeting someone to purchase a car/truck, in cash, across state lines?

Simply having a large amount of cash on one's person shouldn't automatically make them a suspect in some criminal enterprise. Stuff like this makes me cringe...as I pay for EVERYTHING in cash.

Jon
 

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If that ever happened to me, I'd play it cool then take the law into my own hands.
 

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If that ever happened to me, I'd play it cool then take the law into my own hands.

I remember a story about a retired plumber calling 911 for help and the cops who arrived found a safe with the guys life savings (like 250k or something).

Usual story about a large amount of cash being "suspect", so they seize it and tell the guy the onus is on him to prove it wasn't from the avails of crime. (Otherwise, he would have kept it nice and safe in an American Bank right?)


Also, that one pig who threatened to have someones kids taken away for not surrendering his money deserves a bullet to the back of the skull.
 

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Is it common for Police to have quotas in the US?

Some people believe or imply that cops have quotas, like for a department to get X number of tickets in a period. But that's not the case. The departments DO though have budgets with revenue targets. This means to reach dollar target X, some matrix of tickets needs to be achieved to hit those targets. So its something where you essentially get to a quota by forcing a certain number of dollars to be expected for collections.

In my state right now there is a big push for tailgating violators, which can be slightly subjective and vary due to circumstances. But the timing of it says everything, started in March, end of 1st fiscal quarter.
 

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I remember a story about a retired plumber calling 911 for help and the cops who arrived found a safe with the guys life savings (like 250k or something).

Usual story about a large amount of cash being "suspect", so they seize it and tell the guy the onus is on him to prove it wasn't from the avails of crime. (Otherwise, he would have kept it nice and safe in an American Bank right?)


Also, that one pig who threatened to have someones kids taken away for not surrendering his money deserves a bullet to the back of the skull.

For fuck's sake - I can't even imagine how much rage I'd feel if someone stole my wallet at gunpoint, the idea of $250k (In Ohio that's a nice VERY NICE house, and at least a brand new 3 series in the driveway) makes my head hurt. Imagine strangers in blue rifling through your house and just taking your money and the only recourse is paying a lawyer and waiting and waiting and waiting. I'm flashing red just thinking about it.

Really, there's no defense for law enforcement here - taking people's shit without being able to charge someone with an actual crime - LOL - Everyone's lost their goddamn mind. You're only required to prove shit after you've been charged, right? Fucking nuts - YOU PROVE I DID SOMETHING ILLEGAL FOR THIS MONEY YOU FUCKING PORK RIND, UNTIL THEN FUCK OFF. Homeboy should have had that cash rolled into something that would earn him some interest though. THEY DREW FIRST BLOOOOODDD
 

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Is it common for Police to have quotas in the US?

technically "no"
but in reality yes.


I am sure this is an issue in almost all nations, but we are really struggling with the abuse of police power and the excessive abuse of it. Plenty of policemen are good people, but there are some truly power hungry corrupt individuals that are poisoning our system and the system of checks and balances against them is simply broken
 
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