Tonight’s debate

[SML]

yeah that would be a fact that it's unconstitutional if it happened. but again, there is predicting of future events based on baseless speculation and internal fears, imo.

"They'd (they would) be declaring the constitution unconstitutional at that point." - it hasn't happened and it's not a fact. it's rhetoric.

https://www.wordrake.com/blog/subjunctive-mood-and-conditionals

 

[basic]

https://www.wordrake.com/blog/subjunctive-mood-and-conditionals

why don't you just tell me what you are trying to say? what is this passive aggressive linking shit?

 

[wyo]

why don't you just tell me what you are trying to say? what is this passive aggressive linking shit?

He's gone into his obtuse elitism mode.

 

[basic]

He's gone into his obtuse elitism mode.

all I'm saying is that I don't think trump winning is the end of democracy and I don't think Biden winning is the end of the world. if someone holds either of these positions, I want them to spell it out for me with rational thought. I tire of existential crisises.

 

[Taiso]

all I see is fear mongering on unlikely situations by both sides and I wish everyone would see this. 2nd amendment exists for the purposes of fighting against the situation where trump becomes a dictator you are worried about.

If the 2A Cucks actually took the intent of that amendment seriously, Civil War II would have happened a long time ago.

They just don't want their toys taken away from them. That's the only reason they fight to own guns.

They go on and on about 'fighting tyrrany.'

We've been in one for a very long time. And the 2A Cucks are fine with it as long as they get to pretend to be 'men of freedom.'

The gun is the pacifier. The dog and pony show about restricting gun rights is the thing to keep them distracted and feel relief when another attempt to curtail gun ownership gets swatted down by some Federal judge or state supreme court somewhere. Or even SCOTUS with their recent ruling that some Federal agencies exceeded their authority regarding bump stocks.

 

[wyo]

all I'm saying is that I don't think trump winning is the end of democracy and I don't think Biden winning is the end of the world. if someone holds either of these positions, I want them to spell it out for me with rational thought. I tire of existential crisises.

There's nothing rational about these positions. Everyone has been conditioned to act like a hysterical woman focused on this sideshow. We already had 8 years of Trump and Biden talking gibberish as the deep state continues to manage our slow decline.

 

[Taiso]

There's nothing rational about these positions. Everyone has been conditioned to act like a hysterical woman focused on this sideshow. We already had 8 years of Trump and Biden talking gibberish as the deep state continues to manage our slow decline.

They aren't saving this country except for themselves.

 

[basic]

If the 2A Cucks actually took the intent of that amendment seriously, Civil War II would have happened a long time ago.

They just don't want their toys taken away from them. That's the only reason they fight to own guns.

They go on and on about 'fighting tyrrany.'

We've been in one for a very long time. And the 2A Cucks are fine with it as long as they get to pretend to be 'men of freedom.'

The gun is the pacifier. The dog and pony show about restricting gun rights is the thing to keep them distracted and feel relief when another attempt to curtail gun ownership gets swatted down by some Federal judge or state supreme court somewhere. Or even SCOTUS with their recent ruling that some Federal agencies exceeded their authority regarding bump stocks.

I am a 2A guy, without owning a gun, for specific reasons. in general, I am against government usurping of rights because, in my opinion, once it's gone - it's gone. all I know is that I will find it hilarious when the defense of 2A for fighting against illegitimate governments being conspiracy theory realizes itself if/when trump wins and the anti-2FA wishes they had the means to fight.

 

[BeefJerky]

Everyone in this thread loves cock except me.

 

[SML]

why don't you just tell me what you are trying to say? what is this passive aggressive linking shit?

You got it.

They'd be declaring the constitution unconstitutional at that point.

Here, I was saying that I don't think roker's scenario is very likely, because the job of SCOTUS is to determine if laws are within the bounds of the constitution. They don't get to decide what goes in the constitution and what gets thrown out.

It's a statement of fact, not probability. If they were to do what roker suggests, they would be declaring the constitution unconstitutional. Term limits are set by Amendment 22.

Here, I was responding to the fact that you seemed to think I was predicting that SCOTUS was going to throw out term limits, when, if anything, I was suggesting the opposite, based on the fact that such an action would be outside of the court's power.

???

At this point I was getting kind of confused because you wrote "if these people would say/do what you are saying then they wouldn't be constitutionalist. this is still not a fact." The first part of what you said is the same thing that I've been saying, and it is a fact. You followed this factual statement with the statement "this is still not a fact," possibly to cause my circuits to overload and expose me as an AI.

https://www.wordrake.com/blog/subjunctive-mood-and-conditionals

You said "yeah that would be a fact that it's unconstitutional if it happened. but again, there is predicting of future events based on baseless speculation and internal fears, imo.

"They'd be declaring the constitution unconstitutional at that point." - it hasn't happened and it's not a fact. it's rhetoric."

At this point I was left with two alternatives. One was that you were illiterate. As for the other...

https://www.expedia.com/Destinations-In-Australia.d10.Flight-Destinations

 

[basic]

You got it.



Here, I was saying that I don't think roker's scenario is very likely, because the job of SCOTUS is to determine if laws are within the bounds of the constitution. They don't get to decide what goes in the constitution and what gets thrown out.



Here, I was responding to the fact that you seemed to think I was predicting that SCOTUS was going to throw out term limits, when, if anything, I was suggesting the opposite, based on the fact that such an action would be outside of the court's power.



At this point I was getting kind of confused because you wrote "if these people would say/do what you are saying then they wouldn't be constitutionalist. this is still not a fact." The first part of what you said is the same thing that I've been saying, and it is a fact. You followed this factual statement with the statement "this is still not a fact," possibly to cause my circuits to overload and expose me as an AI.



You said "yeah that would be a fact that it's unconstitutional if it happened. but again, there is predicting of future events based on baseless speculation and internal fears, imo.

"They'd be declaring the constitution unconstitutional at that point." - it hasn't happened and it's not a fact. it's rhetoric."

At this point I was left with two alternatives. One was that you were illiterate. As for the other...

https://www.expedia.com/Destinations-In-Australia.d10.Flight-Destinations

okay, if I misunderstood what you were saying, that's my bad

 

[roker]

Oh no! If it isn't the consequences of my own actions!

“No scotus justice will be decided as a president is leaving office”

“Rgb dies”

“Fuck those rules we will do what we want!”

What a fucking joke. Fuck every Republican for that shit.

 

[wyo]

Everyone in this thread loves cock except me.

Come on, you also love cock!

 

[BeefJerky]

Come on, you also love cock!

 

[Taiso]

I am a 2A guy, without owning a gun, for specific reasons. in general, I am against government usurping of rights because, in my opinion, once it's gone - it's gone. all I know is that I will find it hilarious when the defense of 2A for fighting against illegitimate governments being conspiracy theory realizes itself if/when trump wins and the anti-2FA wishes they had the means to fight.

I don't own a gun and I am also a supporter of the 2nd Amendment. I never want to own a gun but I don't think it's outdated for people to want to own one. Furthermore, it's woven into the fabric of this country's social composition and it can't be extricated. When people say 'Well, in Australia...'

Stop. Stop it right there. America isn't Australia and whether you think that's a curse or a blessing, being countries with 'western values' is where the similarities end.

It's just that the 2A Cucks that think 'FiGhTiNg TyRrAnNy!' is their reason for owning guns had their chance.

You want to fight tyrrany? Well...now's the time, faggots. Has been for decades.

Yeah. That's what I thought.

 

[wyo]

Quite a few of them dropped dead from excessive walking around on Jan 6. We're too out of shape for fighting tyranny.

 

[Taiso]

Quite a few of them dropped dead from excessive walking around on Jan 6. We're too out of shape for fighting tyranny.

At least they get to go to the shooting range when they're not on the clock as prison guards.

 

[SouthtownKid]

. 2nd amendment exists for the purposes of fighting against the situation where trump becomes a dictator you are worried about.

Easily 80% or more of the (legal) guns in the US are owned by the people who'd be perfectly fine with Trump becoming dictator. Duffalo is an outlier. Most of the people who own multiple firearms are Trumpians. Certainly most of the civilians who own assault rifles modified to fire full auto.

 

[Lagduf]

I’m too poor to own a (legal) machine gun.

Missouri elected a dead candidate to the US Senate about 20 years (A democrat no less!) so there is precedent for electing a corpse to high office in Washington.

There are a lot more “liberal” gun owners than you think but 80% of guns owned in the hands of Trump supporters could be accurate as people tend to own more than one gun (beware the man with one gun.)

 

[Neo Alec]

Non-issue. All these second amendment rednecks with a gun on their coffee table will probably blow their own brains out eventually. *ring ring* "Hello?" kablammo!

 

[basic]

Easily 80% or more of the (legal) guns in the US are owned by the people who'd be perfectly fine with Trump becoming dictator. Duffalo is an outlier. Most of the people who own multiple firearms are Trumpians. Certainly most of the civilians who own assault rifles modified to fire full auto.

I just like to use trump as an example because the far left progressives I know that are anti-2nd amendment tell me that "fighting/overthrowing an illegitimate government is unlikely" but think that trump will lead to such an illegitimate government. I just like to see what the cognitive dissonance does to such individuals.

 

[SouthtownKid]

I tire of existential crisises.

But it is an existential crisis. We've had increasingly frequent and irrefutable evidence of Biden's diminishing mental faculties over the past few years. But the White House has had the good manners to lie, telling us Biden is actually still sharp behind closed doors. This is huge, and I thank them for this lie. We knew, but them keeping up the lie allowed them to pretend we didn't. But now we know, they know we know, and we know they know we know. They may even know we know they know that we know.

This is a big problem. No one with Biden's diminished capacity is running any country. Not in any western democracy. That means someone else is making the hundreds of decisions daily that any other president would be making. Obvious to everyone, it's not Kamala. The biggest Kamala fan in the world would laugh if you suggested it. So who? What person or group of people is acting as the President of the United States?

Now you can say, who cares? It seems to be working okay and the country shambles on without much noticeable difference. And that's fair, EXCEPT... If we don't do anything about it (and we won't), that means the government now knows the American public is okay with someone (or someones) we didn't elect and don't even know running the country. At least okay enough with it not to do anything when it happens. That's toothpaste you can't put back in the tube. Because once they know they can do it, they'll start doing it again and again. The same way they do everything again and again, once they figure out we'll stand for it.

We'll lose even the illusion of our democracy/constitutional republic/whatever the fuck you want to call it. That illusion is precious. Because while the illusion isn't as good as the real thing, it's a hell of a lot better than what comes next once they realize they don't even have to pretend anymore.

To save everyone time, I'll put the here myself.

 

[basic]

But it is an existential crisis. We've had increasingly frequent and irrefutable evidence of Biden's diminishing mental faculties over the past few years. But the White House has had the good manners to lie, telling us Biden is actually still sharp behind closed doors. This is huge, and I thank them for this lie. We knew, but them keeping up the lie allowed them to pretend we didn't. But now we know, they know we know, and we know they know we know. They may even know we know they know that we know.

This is a big problem. No one with Biden's diminished capacity is running any country. Not in any western democracy. That means someone else is making the hundreds of decisions daily that any other president would be making. Obvious to everyone, it's not Kamala. The biggest Kamala fan in the world would laugh if you suggested it. So who? What person or group of people is acting as the President of the United States?

Now you can say, who cares? It seems to be working okay and the country shambles on without much noticeable difference. And that's fair, EXCEPT... If we don't do anything about it (and we won't), that means the government now knows the American public is okay with someone (or someones) we didn't elect and don't even know running the country. At least okay enough with it not to do anything when it happens. That's toothpaste you can't put back in the tube. Because once they know they can do it, they'll start doing it again and again. The same way they do everything again and again, once they figure out we'll stand for it.

We'll lose even the illusion of our democracy/constitutional republic/whatever the fuck you want to call it. That illusion is precious. Because while the illusion isn't as good as the real thing, it's a hell of a lot better than what comes next once they realize they don't even have to pretend anymore.

To save everyone time, I'll put the here myself.

people who are still at the point where they think Biden has some sort of cognitive capacity are already lost. they are happy to put in charge the puppeteers who control him now because TDS has gripped them to such a degree they think that they are on the right side of history. whatever.

 

[SouthtownKid]

TDS has gripped them to such a degree they think that they are on the right side of history. whatever.

*less wrong side of history.

 

[basic]

*less wrong side of history.

white privileged racist Nazi*