Are 72+ million really for that though? or are they just easily blindsided and/or bought?
With all due respect: Why did 72 million Americans vote to reMAGA? (A thread for healing.)
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Are 72+ million really for that though? or are they just easily blindsided and/or bought?
If they voted for him, they are for it. It isn't exactly a secret as to what tra
If they (like a vast majority of republican leaders) are out there claiming that they don't know who won, or that trump won, then they are for it.
It doesn't matter whether they are gung ho, blindsided, bought or coerced.
-AUTHORITARIANISM WORKS.
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That's a bit of a stretch...and typecasting, truth be told.
People vote for all kinds of reasons. Some are party line voters and will vote that way no matter what. Others will vote as a defensive measure against a candidate they do not like. Even others still will vote because they believe in the candidate they're voting for.
Saying all Trump voters are 100% supporters of his beliefs and politics is no different than saying the same about Biden voters and we all know there we many people that voted for him simply because of how much they despise Trump. Trumps voters probably had a myriad of reasons why they voted for him. Sure, some probably do support him 100%...but that's not the case with all of them.
You have to stop lumping millions of people into your tiny, accusatory boxes. I think this kind of mass prejudice is what got us here in the first place.
The original intent of the thread was to learn the reasons that people had for voting for Trump. Of the people who selected "other - please specify in post", only one person did, RAZO. But the rest of the people did not. And I don't think that gun ownership is really a reason as much as I don't think that Biden can executive order a ban on the drilling in Arctic National Park in Alaska - it's a property right, and property rights are a lot harder to take away.
So if the people who chose "other" can, it would be nice if they list their thoughts for why they chose Trump.
Do you honestly feel that anything here is objective?
A Trump voter wouldn't come here expecting anything other than a tongue lashing and never ending accusations. I don't think I've yet to see a single topic here that was even remotely close to neutral. No, most of them turn into a verbal lynching. I mean, come on, the main options are "stupidity" and "malice"...never was any of this to be taken other than yet another insult in an ocean of insults.
Anyone who posts anything here can expect a tongue lashing. It's why many come here. There are no victims.
But regardless, no one did Trump supporters any favors. No one took the opportunity to humanize Trump supporters.
To norton, I do typically agree with your assessments politically, I dislike the guy as much as anybody, and am as anti-fascist as I can realistically be, but I think that may be going a bit too far.
It's easy for me to lump all chump supporters in as anti-immigrant, racist dumbasses, because I've been directly affected by this joker's positions on immigration, and it speaks directly to me and my situation. But, people like my mom, who did vote for chump in 2016 - I do believe she's the kindest person I'll ever meet. When I've spoken with her about this issue in particular, she expressed regret that she supported him, and she just didn't realize the pain that's out there on this particular issue just because of the positions of this guy.
This seems impossible to us - we're caught up in the news cycle all the time, and those of us affected by this jackass do actually have skin in the game. But a lot of these folks, they actually couldn't tell you what fascism is, or give you a concrete idea of what a dictator is, or how one behaves. They just know that, historically, they've voted republican because they liked the idea of small government, fiscal responsibility, guns, religion, etc. It's just like Taiso said in another thread somewhere - they like the messaging. They probably don't pay too much attention to the xenophobic and hateful things the guy says, because they feel like those things simply don't apply to them (this is problematic, of course). To them, it all sounds like fiery patriotism, which is appealing when the other realistic choice is somebody like Hillary.
Now, people who are knowingly denying the actual fascist messaging of the chump administration (red triangle ordeal around June or so, for example), or they know the character of people like Stephen Miller, but think there are no problems with any of that - those folks do fall into the category you've described. Same goes for the people who deny the results of the election as well as the leaders who are supporting chump in saying that the election isn't over yet. Same goes for the people who join these big caravans of lifted ass neanderthal trucks flying chump flags driving around prior to the election.
But I do believe there are a lot of just regular ass people, probably a lot of whom just aren't up on the actual extent of the rot, who voted for chump because they felt like they could identify with him more than the other option.
It's easy for me to lump all chump supporters in as anti-immigrant, racist dumbasses, because I've been directly affected by this joker's positions on immigration, and it speaks directly to me and my situation. But, people like my mom, who did vote for chump in 2016 - I do believe she's the kindest person I'll ever meet. When I've spoken with her about this issue in particular, she expressed regret that she supported him, and she just didn't realize the pain that's out there on this particular issue just because of the positions of this guy.
This seems impossible to us - we're caught up in the news cycle all the time, and those of us affected by this jackass do actually have skin in the game. But a lot of these folks, they actually couldn't tell you what fascism is, or give you a concrete idea of what a dictator is, or how one behaves. They just know that, historically, they've voted republican because they liked the idea of small government, fiscal responsibility, guns, religion, etc. It's just like Taiso said in another thread somewhere - they like the messaging. They probably don't pay too much attention to the xenophobic and hateful things the guy says, because they feel like those things simply don't apply to them (this is problematic, of course). To them, it all sounds like fiery patriotism, which is appealing when the other realistic choice is somebody like Hillary.
Now, people who are knowingly denying the actual fascist messaging of the chump administration (red triangle ordeal around June or so, for example), or they know the character of people like Stephen Miller, but think there are no problems with any of that - those folks do fall into the category you've described. Same goes for the people who deny the results of the election as well as the leaders who are supporting chump in saying that the election isn't over yet. Same goes for the people who join these big caravans of lifted ass neanderthal trucks flying chump flags driving around prior to the election.
But I do believe there are a lot of just regular ass people, probably a lot of whom just aren't up on the actual extent of the rot, who voted for chump because they felt like they could identify with him more than the other option.
With respect to the messaging there are a non-insignificant number of people who have truly bought in to the Republican/Right Wing fear mongering messaging that the Democratic Party represents the failed Socialist governments of third world countries. There are also people in our government who believed that, ran on that platform, and were elected
They might think Trump is a racist asshole, but he represents their continued comfort and the status quo (though in reality he is anything but that.) So their options are either vote Trump or turn in to a failed state ala Venezuela.
And I know people who are believe the Q shit too.
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This is the main reason I don't bother to hardly speak of politics here or elsewhere for the most part. Nobody is ever gonna agree with anyone in these debates. Wyo never really learned that which is why I wasn't surprised you banned him.
Well to be fair Wyo had the ban coming for a myriad of other reasons so yeah....
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Look around and tell me how many right leaning people are posting and not getting fucked with. Wyo wasn’t banned for his politics. He was banned for the substance of his posts, which were not backed by legitimate sources. He was promoting Russian propaganda, namely that Russia was not paying bounties on Americans soldiers, even though the intelligence community felt otherwise. His opinion on this matter was too strong to be taken simply as “I have trouble believing it” but went into the Russia Today realm of “no evidence, can’t prove it.” When I told him to stop posting in political threads, it was because of that.
I don't give a shit.
If you voted for it, you are an enabler. You are responsible. It isn't like we didn't know that he would use his power of office to overturn elections of office to stay out of jail. That was abundantly clear.
I can give someone a bit of a pass for the first time they voted for the guy though I think they are fucking idiots for doing so. But the second time after seeing the last 4 years in office? Give me a break.
If you want to hang anything Obama did around my neck, be my guest. I might not agree with everything he did, but I acknowledge my complicity in enabling those things.
If the biden crime family machine turns out to be everything the loonies think it is, hang that around my neck too.
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Not true. Biden votes were fraudulent. Everyone loves Trump.
I'm being serious when I ask this...do you not see the irony in your own words?
You're just as guilty of absolutism as the very people you're trying to blanket condemn.
I've lost count at the time you've utilized virtue signaling to show how open minded and progressive you are...then you turn around are absolutely hateful to anyone who doesn't agree with you. You've said some truly horrid things about people you don't know, in situations you have no clue about, facing difficulties that you're aren't aware of. Nasty, hateful things about people you're claiming are nasty and hateful.
You have great disdain for anyone who votes Republican...not just Trump. You shouldn't have disdain for anyone you do not know on a personal level.
I'll say it again, this shit slinging, fighting, and never ending barrage of insults and accusations is why the US is like this now. People blindly hating others because of an election...it's fucking insane.
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This reminds me of the time that Marilyn Manson saying that he was scared of some of his own fans. He's an entertainer, a showman that uses shock as a tool. There's fools out there that take his shit seriously. These politicians are playing a game with us all. When people are forced to choose between someone like Trump or Biden, you know things aren't well in politics. The issue is, this game is being taken seriously by a lot of people out there and the results of that could be horrific. There's people out there that are literally feeling that the US is heading for a civil war. If this continues to grow, we could ALL be in some serious hot water. This political game between two fucking parties full of politicians many of which have been there most of our lives needs to end.
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I'm not really disagreeing with you Charlie. I just realized that debating is something I don't want or need to engage with. I'm old and really don't want to involve myself with other folks over politics since it just ends up killing friendships like it did with you and me over the whole GamersAbyss bullshit. I really should have just shut the fuck up and banned him from chat all those years ago but I can't change the past since what happened had happened.
In all things Charlie I think you did Wyo a huge favor by giving him an out here.
@Smokehouse, you should just walk away from this also. You're not going to change Norton's mind.
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I'd have to know specifically what you are referring to.
Different levels. You never see me riding on people for voting for competent, non-hateful republicans like Charlie Baker John Kaish or Larry Hogan.
I have friends that voted for Mitt Romney and John McCain.
Don't we all?
I'm just telling it like it is. I'm not worried about the bruised ego of some snowflakes incapable of self introspection.
Let me quote two great sages:
Shakespeare: The lady doth protest to much.
My uncle virgil: A hit dog will holler.
We have a president trying to overturn an election. the civil war has already started bruh.
I'm going to take Viewpoint's advice.
I'm sorry that so many of you are so furious about all of this...and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I hope you can find some inner peace from all of this. Personally, I don't feel that peace will come from whomever is in the White House, but it is what it is.
These conversations are exhausting. I'll leave you guys to it.
I'm sorry that so many of you are so furious about all of this...and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. I hope you can find some inner peace from all of this. Personally, I don't feel that peace will come from whomever is in the White House, but it is what it is.
These conversations are exhausting. I'll leave you guys to it.
Cummon, you can't talk all that shit then bow out on me?
........ i guess you can
........ i guess you can
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No, I'm serious...this really is exhausting.
I'm sorry if I offended you, I really don't want to argue about it anymore. This isn't some dumbfuck attempt at some drama...I'm being 100% honest.
There's just too much fighting, too much anger. I used to think I thrived on it, I thought I liked conflict...but I just don't. I was so fucking stressed out the week of the election that the night of the actual election, I couldn't sleep. I spent my night on the couch downstairs because I didn't want my tossing and turning to keep my wife up. My extreme stress that week set of my stupid fucking IBS so horribly that I paid for it the week after.
Over a goddamn election, how did I let it get to me this deeply? Enough of this shit.
I need to be done with this.
That fucking sucks. I hope it all works out.
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I think the level of anger is perfectly appropriate.
https://apnews.com/article/e-7174555c2545f8afb69f0ce2ac0b2156
Did you ever think you'd be reading this kind of headline about your own country? I sure as hell didn't, and I'd try hard to stop it from happening again.
Sorry your mom is a fascist bro.
Norton is Joseph McCarthy though so it all works out in the end.