D-Lite- Dean- Anybody have any outstanding deals?

[Battlesmurf]

Hello all-

I just want to say- please keep the drama out of this one- there should be no reason to bump this to the war room this go around. This is a valid feedback thread. The skinny of it-

I had a deal with Dean- which took alot longer than I thought it would. I made a thread to see if anybody else had similar issues- at which point several people did come forward. While I'm taken care of and content- this thread is also for those who still have open issues that need to be addressed. With that being said- if you have open issues- please post here (keep it peaceful- if you don't have business here, please don't post here). I'd love to help the remaining people settle up and/or get in touch with Dean somehow.

For the record- whether or not he takes me up on it- I've offered to help him with the workload come summer. I'm about 2 ish hours give or take away- I'm sure I can find some reason to be in his neck of the woods in order to help square things away. Dean is not a scammer- I don't think he'd ever take money and run- but he is busy with life and may need a hand.

The purpose of this feedback thread is to detail the feedback for a business deal here on Neo-Geo.

Edit: shortly after finishing this- the guys from the PC-Engine website seem to have worked out one of the deals. Good news That might only leave Mikhail- possibly anybody else that wants to post here to help Dean keep track

 

[Comrade Porn King Mikhail]

I don't have anything open with Dean involving money. I do have a Valis II CD of his that he left in my PC Engine that I'll eventually return to him when he has the time to meet up.

Sincerely,

Mikhail

 

[ForeverSublime]

I don't have a deal with him directly, either. I shipped 2 pcb's to him for him to look at/repair if possible a few years back - after he moved I asked if he could ship them back when he came across them in the unpacking process - otherwise, I really haven't bugged him about it. I live close enough now (moved to bay area from east coast) that I could just meet up with him. I sense I feel the same about these PCB's in the way he feels about some of his loose ends (Mikhail)... get around to it when it happens. Call this post a self reminder.

 

[Space Runaway]

I do, but it seems that he's been wrapping up all outstanding deals, so that's what matters.

 

[bulletnyourass]

I don't believe Dean is a scammer either. However, I had to list him as one since (at the time of posting it) he had people's money/items and had no communication with them at all. Once I have been informed that Dean has completed all of his deals, I will revise is status to TIMEWASTER. I have nothing against Dean as a person ..but ... I had to add a friend of mine to the list as well so I couldn't let Dean slide because he was a mod.

The Scammers thread I have is really a pain in the ass because it involves more than me just adding names that I receive from others. I actually have to read entire threads and then contact all that were involved to make sure the info that I am about to post about someone is valid. If I start to pick and chose (play favorites) with who gets added and who doesn't .. well ... the list would be worthless. I am not trying to score points here ... or trying to be a mod. I just want to contribute something to the forums that's actually helpful to those of us here.

I thought I would just post here about why it was handled the way it was.

Also, I think that people coming down on kernow was kind of messed up. There are double standards here ..but I don't know who is truly to blame for it being this way. I can definitely understand how he feels as I have seen what others have gone through here. For some .... it would have been an all out war.

Phillip

 

[Battlesmurf]

As for the Kernow stuff- definetely alot of double standards- but it doesn't even really need to be mentioned- it's super obvious when you look at some of the threads. Some people don't care- and nothing I say would change that. At least I can try to provide some facts about things and at least try to help people the same way I was helped.


Anyways-


I appreciate your help You've been pretty level headed about it all, and that's what matters. There's only a handful of mods that seem to have the level head and unbiased nature that these kinds of things need. I have a hard time keeping up with a simple Hi-Score board at Shmups- I can imagine a whole section on this message board. All of your work is appreciated, that's for sure. Lol..you do a better job at 'modding' than a few of the mods it seems anyways.

Thanks again, Phillip

 

[Battlesmurf]

I do, but it seems that he's been wrapping up all outstanding deals, so that's what matters.

Definetely seems that way. He does awesome work and seems to always have great stuff for sale, so whatever you have going on will work out in the end, I'm sure. If anything changes- drop a line : )

 

[16-bit]

I don't believe Dean is a scammer either. However, I had to list him as one since (at the time of posting it) he had people's money/items and had no communication with them at all. Once I have been informed that Dean has completed all of his deals, I will revise is status to TIMEWASTER. I have nothing against Dean as a person ..but ... I had to add a friend of mine to the list as well so I couldn't let Dean slide because he was a mod.

The Scammers thread I have is really a pain in the ass because it involves more than me just adding names that I receive from others. I actually have to read entire threads and then contact all that were involved to make sure the info that I am about to post about someone is valid. If I start to pick and chose (play favorites) with who gets added and who doesn't .. well ... the list would be worthless. I am not trying to score points here ... or trying to be a mod. I just want to contribute something to the forums that's actually helpful to those of us here.

I thought I would just post here about why it was handled the way it was.

Also, I think that people coming down on kernow was kind of messed up. There are double standards here ..but I don't know who is truly to blame for it being this way. I can definitely understand how he feels as I have seen what others have gone through here. For some .... it would have been an all out war.

Phillip

I have an open deal with Dean. He has my tg16 and $80 since mid Feb. He promptly answered an inquiry that I sent recently via email.

Unless there is clear evidence that the intent was fraud from the outset (K. star's fake US Metal Slug or Tim Tews come to mind), then I think that there should be a set period of time between the initial posting of concern and the formal labeling of someone as a scammer: At least 60 days to 90 days.

In the meantime, yes, the forum deserves a warning, but label of scammer is way too severe to be used to caution potential transactions and difficult to clear once it has been applied. By labeling someone as such you destroy the leverage against them of retaining their standing in the community which in turn makes it 10 times more difficult for those still with open transactions to get a positive resolution.

 

[Takumaji]

I have an open deal with Dean. He has my tg16 and $80 since mid Feb. He promptly answered an inquiry that I sent recently via email.

Unless there is clear evidence that the intent was fraud from the outset (K. star's fake US Metal Slug or Tim Tews come to mind), then I think that there should be a set period of time between the initial posting of concern and the formal labeling of someone as a scammer: At least 60 days to 90 days.

In the meantime, yes, the forum deserves a warning, but label of scammer is way too severe to be used to caution potential transactions and difficult to clear once it has been applied. By labeling someone as such you destroy the leverage against them of retaining their standing in the community which in turn makes it 10 times more difficult for those still with open transactions to get a positive resolution.

AMEN.

Noone benefits from hysterical "he's a scammer, ban him!!!" cries more than a real scammer himself, I wish more people could see that.

In the end it's not about making an example of someone but to help people getting their stuff or money. Of course a -proven- scammer should be locked out and warnings issued once all parties have been refunded or otherwise satisfied but that should never be the primary focus in my opinion.

 

[bulletnyourass]

I have an open deal with Dean. He has my tg16 and $80 since mid Feb. He promptly answered an inquiry that I sent recently via email.

Unless there is clear evidence that the intent was fraud from the outset (K. star's fake US Metal Slug or Tim Tews come to mind), then I think that there should be a set period of time between the initial posting of concern and the formal labeling of someone as a scammer: At least 60 days to 90 days.

In the meantime, yes, the forum deserves a warning, but label of scammer is way too severe to be used to caution potential transactions and difficult to clear once it has been applied. By labeling someone as such you destroy the leverage against them of retaining their standing in the community which in turn makes it 10 times more difficult for those still with open transactions to get a positive resolution.

Carlson,

I agree with you. It took Dean over 4 months to complete this deal. Therefore it had been more than 90 days. It also took a lot (and I do mean a lot) of effort from other members tring to call him and email him before there was any action taken by Dean. Remember, his status is temporary until everyone has been sorted out on these incomplete deals. I have changed peoples status in the list before when it's warranted.

If he had remained in contact with his customer this would never had happened. I can understand being busy and not being able to complete the actual modding work....BUT... no one is that busy that they can't send an email saying that something has come up and it's going to take longer than expected. It's easy for people to say that the labeling was harsh because Dean is a good guy. It's even harder for the person who doesn't have their items/ money and hasn't had any form of communication in months from the person in question. If I had waited as long as battlesmurf had to, I would start to think I had been ripped off since it basically seemed like he was being "brushed off" (Battlesmurf did not say he felt this way) Communication is the key.

Phillip

 

[evil wasabi]

It took one email, Phil.

one email from me and the problem was solved. Stop making this out to be more than it is. You're not doing anything here except stirring the pot.

 

[Sex Machine]

Ah so mods say this long of time without contact is just dandy. Great.

 

[16-bit]

Carlson,

I agree with you. It took Dean over 4 months to complete this deal. Therefore it had been more than 90 days. It also took a lot (and I do mean a lot) of effort from other members tring to call him and email him before there was any action taken by Dean. Remember, his status is temporary until everyone has been sorted out on these incomplete deals. I have changed peoples status in the list before when it's warranted.

If he had remained in contact with his customer this would never had happened. I can understand being busy and not being able to complete the actual modding work....BUT... no one is that busy that they can't send an email saying that something has come up and it's going to take longer than expected. It's easy for people to say that the labeling was harsh because Dean is a good guy. It's even harder for the person who doesn't have their items/ money and hasn't had any form of communication in months from the person in question. If I had waited as long as battlesmurf had to, I would start to think I had been ripped off since it basically seemed like he was being "brushed off" (Battlesmurf did not say he felt this way) Communication is the key.

Phillip

No we are not in agreement. Again, my point is: In the case of negligence, at least 60 to 90 days is required from the first post of concern about a deal such as "Anyone Heard From Dean/D-Lite These Days?", "Anyone Still Waiting On An Order From D-Lite?" before the seller shares the same title as someone such as DreamH2o or K.Star.

You've got to give someone time for the seller to get the situation sorted out after they have been notified that there is concern about one or more of their transactions and give the buyers the ability to use possibility of allowing the seller to return to the community in good standing as leverage. In the case of negligence, labeling someone a scammer should be the very last step after all avenues have been exhausted because it dissolves their status in the community whether you think it is temporary or not and makes it more likely that they will flee the situation.

So I take issue with labeling Dean as a scammer.

-Everyone has been warned.
-We don't know the whole backstory as to why he did not communicate.
-We don't know how many orders are outstanding
-So we don't know an exact time frame as to how fast this can be resolved. If he has a lot of orders, it may take 30 days or more to get everyone taken care of.

The forum deserves a warning (we have it without the gratuitous use of the term scammer) and Dean deserves some time to get the orders sorted out (which I don't think he is getting).

Nothing against you personally Phillip, but I feel that your actions show a preference to you having a warm fuzzy feeling about your involvement on N-G.com over a positive outcome to this situation for all parties who are involved.

 

[Comrade Porn King Mikhail]

Dean is definitely not a scammer, and I don't know if Timewaster applies to him (that sounds like a better term for prospective buyers).

I do think we need to establish a new category for sellers who are extremely slow to ship and need to be continuously prodded. Phillip is just trying to help out and I appreciate his efforts to keep a list going for the community for all categories of trading issues!

Sincerely,

Mikhail

 

[Battlesmurf]

It took one email, Phil.
one email from me and the problem was solved.

It still feels that you're talking down to Dean's customers again (me being one of them): / It took you one email (which I still really appreciate as that was the one he mentioned). The fact stands that for your one email- I wrote several emails myself, several pms, phone calls (via KitKit and Mikhail- both local to him) and several offers for local pick up that went unanswered for a bit. And some of us are his actual paying (paid?) customers.

I do think that the label of a THEIF is right harsh, though. And yes- we don't know how many deals he has other than the few ones here- he's taken care of the one I had in mind from PCE that got up in the last feedback thread. Dean knows the rules of the board. He has a feedback thread he started somewhere here as well. I think he's a good enough guy (we all know he's a good guy by now : ) that he's going to make everything work out okay in the end.

Phil is a good guy, too- it sucks that he has to take flak for doing the same thing that he has to do for everybody else. Phils following the same standards it seems he's been following for a bit (unless someone can prove otherwise). If he is in fact following the same standards- do we ask him to have double standards for this situation? If there are no standards- where can we go to draft some kind of definitive set of rules to help prevent the questioning from happening in the future?



So- all of that to say that I think one of two things- A)I'm talking out my ass B) we can use this as a learning experience- draft a set of rules as far as the labels go- and follow them to the T to eliminate any doubt of double standards and whatnot.

 

[evil wasabi]

What did you buy from dean?

 

[norton9478]

I think Bad Trader is a good title...

He's not a scamer or a traditional timewaster... But people should know that dealing with him might be troublesome for many reasons...

Also, Bullet's Scamer thread isn't about resolving current deals... It is to document bad deals for future reference...

Shit, I am surprised that the the right people didn't step in before all this happened... When Mod Dean was selling tons and tons of stuff... I saw the potential conflict of interest... But I didn't think it would all end like this.

 

[evil wasabi]

I think Bad Trader is a good title...

was it a trade?

 

[norton9478]

was it a trade?

Of sorts.

 

[16-bit]

Also, Bullet's Scamer thread isn't about resolving current deals... It is to document bad deals for future reference...

Then there should be no rush to call someone a scammer/theif until all the dust has settled.

 

[Gameoz]

Then there should be no rush to call someone a scammer/theif until all the dust has stettled.

Sometimes the dust doesn't settle for a very long time.

 

[tony starks]

Remember, his status is temporary until everyone has been sorted out on these incomplete deals. I have changed peoples status in the list before when it's warranted.

Phillip

Like Bulletnyourass said his status is "temporarary" and will be changed when all the deals have been completed.

Geez give him a break people.

 

[bulletnyourass]

Nothing against you personally Phillip, but I feel that your actions show a preference to you having a warm fuzzy feeling about your involvement on N-G.com over a positive outcome to this situation for all parties who are involved.

Carlson,

I really don't understand where you get this from. I don't do anything but try to help people. I would think that you being a person who sells items often would understand. There have been times I asked you questions concerning some of your items and you got back to me right away. I'm sure you are busy with your own personal life ( as are the rest of us) but you still answer questions (no matter how trivial) within a decent amount of time.

As far as the scammers thread; the only help I get is when people send me the information concerning the possible scammer/timewaster. I have to read all pertinent information for myself to make sure that listing someone is justified. I have to contact people that were involved (if possible) as well as cross reference other websites where the person may have other "similar situations" . There are no guidelines on how to do this. As 1 person I do the best I can ... As far as yourself, Charlie and anyone else is concerned, I dont see any of you guys ever offering to help me maintain the thread or add any info to it.

I do this to help out the forums in the way that I can. I don't have any tech skills and you guys already have a number of people who contribute to the site as far as gameplay that know more about these games than I do. I have stated before that I am not / or ever tried/asked to be a mod. It's funny that all this time that I have tried to help people who have been in bad sales/trade deals, that this is the 2nd time this has happened where it's like I made something out to be more than what it was. None of you would have been as patient as your posts seem to dictate had you been the ones to actually wait this many months without communication from a person who had your money and your merchandise.



Phillip

 

[bulletnyourass]

I never said Dean should be banned or de- modded. I think Charlie thinks I am stirring stuff up because he's lumping me in with the people who were suggesting Dean be de-modded and/or banned. I did the same thing to him that I did to Jose (sonofx51). I actually know Jose and have met him in person on several occassions. He's a nice guy like Dean ... but .. when Jose didn't take care of his 3 pending deals (even after I personally spoke to him on the phone about them), I had to list him. Just because Dean is a mod, I can't make an exception for him... because if I did that .. the whole forum would say that I'm giving Dean a break because I'm trying to kiss ass to become a mod.

This place is really full of a lot ungrateful ass people. Everyone is NOW giving me their input on how I should have handled it while trying to insinuate that I have "personal reasons" for why I am doing this. Oddly enough .. this is only happening because it's Dean.

None of you people have ever had anything to say about how I handled the scammers thread before now since you really didn't give a fuck about the people that were being added. Now that it's a friend of yours ... we need to make concessions. Where were your bleeding hearts when I added Jose or Kid Aphex...Both of which were similar to what happened here. Kid Aphex status was changed as soon as I found out that his deal was complete. He hasn't suffered any backlash from it. If Jose ever clears up his deals... I'll do the same for him. Once I find out about Deans ..I'll do the same for him. I don't understand why you guys are making such a big deal about it.

BTW ..I didn't base this just on Battlesmurfs deal ...it was also based on what was read from the PCE forums. Yes, I agree that Helgstrom (sp?) can be very theatrical .. but .. it seems that Dean had similar issues over there as well. Whatever ... you people will never be pleased anyway. Fuck it.

Phillip

 

[evil wasabi]

Carlson,

I really don't understand where you get this from. I don't do anything but try to help people. I would think that you being a person who sells items often would understand. There have been times I asked you questions concerning some of your items and you got back to me right away. I'm sure you are busy with your own personal life ( as are the rest of us) but you still answer questions (no matter how trivial) within a decent amount of time.

As far as the scammers thread; the only help I get is when people send me the information concerning the possible scammer/timewaster. I have to read all pertinent information for myself to make sure that listing someone is justified. I have to contact people that were involved (if possible) as well as cross reference other websites where the person may have other "similar situations" . There are no guidelines on how to do this. As 1 person I do the best I can ... As far as yourself, Charlie and anyone else is concerned, I dont see any of you guys ever offering to help me maintain the thread or add any info to it.

I do this to help out the forums in the way that I can. I don't have any tech skills and you guys already have a number of people who contribute to the site as far as gameplay that know more about these games than I do. I have stated before that I am not / or ever tried/asked to be a mod. It's funny that all this time that I have tried to help people who have been in bad sales/trade deals, that this is the 2nd time this has happened where it's like I made something out to be more than what it was. None of you would have been as patient as your posts seem to dictate had you been the ones to actually wait this many months without communication from a person who had your money and your merchandise.



Phillip

you don't even have all the information. I am still wondering what it was that Battlesmurf commisioned Dean for.

I don't read your scammer/timewaster thread, but Dean doesn't fit in either category, and really neither would Kid Aphex. Both of them are slow shippers. Time wasters are the kids who ask you for a million pics of your items and talk you up only to dip out. That's a time waster.

If you're going to steer brand people (based on half a story), might as well do it with specificity.