Setsuna1982
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Gametrailers gives 8.0 to shadow of the colossus and Ico. 6.8 in gameplay
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They should have given it a zero. That Ico game sucked ballz
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I had definitely heard that they weren't going to tweak the draw-distance in Shadow of the Colossus, but it still bums me out to hear they didn't for the final product. Fine, don't tweak the controls, but if you're going to make the visuals higher def, you're already fucking with the graphics of the game. I don't want to hear some purist bullshit, or how being able to see into the distance would ruin the experience. Otherwise, just release an exact copy of the PS2 version and be done with it. I'm let down, you can't convince me that the bad draw distance was anything more than a hardware limitation on the PS2. It's the number one thing that sucks me out of the experiences of SotC. Oh well. I was going to buy this collection, but I definitely think this is more of a rental, a replay, and a return.
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But they were soo artistic and artsy and non mainstream and for real gamers and artsy.
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Doesn't matter if they're boring as shit. I don't enjoy riding for fucking minutes through an empty world on horseback.
And escorting sucks too, always did.
Yes I know you were being sarcastic.
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I really like these games, but I totally understand why other people would hate them.
One thing I will say I can't stand, and this is really a trend you see with any game that enjoys a cult status amongst its fan base, is all the rationalization and justification for its flaws.
I had a conversation with someone a few years back that argued Shadow of the Colossus was better than Legend of Zelda. Most of the arguments were about the artistic direction of the game and the character's emotional struggle and desire to return the love of his life from the dead.
I argued that Shadow had a great story and looked very pretty, but it is not a movie or a TV show. It is a game, and all of that style without substance means nothing. Zelda may have a simple, archetypal story but the gameplay, more often than not, is among the best gaming has to offer.
He said that Zelda didn't control well enough to merit that consideration. I told him I'd slap him in the mouth if he ever said that again and then proceed to tear Shadow's shitty horse control scheme to pieces.
He said 'It's supposed to be hard to control. Your character isn't experienced or anything.'
These fucking people and their bullshit rationalizing. I swear...
One thing I will say I can't stand, and this is really a trend you see with any game that enjoys a cult status amongst its fan base, is all the rationalization and justification for its flaws.
I had a conversation with someone a few years back that argued Shadow of the Colossus was better than Legend of Zelda. Most of the arguments were about the artistic direction of the game and the character's emotional struggle and desire to return the love of his life from the dead.
I argued that Shadow had a great story and looked very pretty, but it is not a movie or a TV show. It is a game, and all of that style without substance means nothing. Zelda may have a simple, archetypal story but the gameplay, more often than not, is among the best gaming has to offer.
He said that Zelda didn't control well enough to merit that consideration. I told him I'd slap him in the mouth if he ever said that again and then proceed to tear Shadow's shitty horse control scheme to pieces.
He said 'It's supposed to be hard to control. Your character isn't experienced or anything.'
These fucking people and their bullshit rationalizing. I swear...
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It can be a really rewarding experience if you just LET it be one!
Gigaton Chode
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I never played the games myself, they seemed too artfaggy.
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Jedah Doma
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Never got all the hype behind these games. Sure there's some aesthetic and artistic merit behind them, but as games they fail miserably.
SNKNostalgia
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I had a feeling they wouldn't do much to the re-releases. What doesn't make sense is how long ago it was announced and being worked on. There's no damn excuse for the lack of tweaking the graphics more. Oh well, I guess I will just stick with my PS2 version of SoC. Then again, I may get it due to not owning Ico for PS2 and never playing through it yet... even though a friend of mine has it and I watched him play it a little.
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I give Shadow of the Colossus an F. If they had left the entire final level along with the shitty ending out of the game, I might have given it a C+ or maybe even a B-. But that final level killed all the goodwill the game and its atmosphere built up. Played like absolute shit. Mood and music can only take you so far when the controls suck that bad.
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The final colossus, or the final bit of story where you go back to the cathedral? I don't know... I'm actually shocked so many people have turned against SotC. I honestly felt it was a very good game for its time. I'm still eagerly waiting for the Last Guardian as well (and, I know I'll probably have a few more years to wait on that). I guess I'm just an art fag, or something... Or maybe I just haven't reached level 60 jadedness yet. I feel bad for a lot of you in this thread.
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I didn't like Ico when I played it, but I loved SotC. Loved it so much I even made a big ole thread about it some years. Maybe I'd like Ico now that I'm older.
I loaned Duf my copy but he never gave it back. This is a very passive-aggressive hint right here.
I loaned Duf my copy but he never gave it back. This is a very passive-aggressive hint right here.
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Horrible controls + camera. Inexcusably horrible. Until the final level, I could ignore it because because of how beautifully the overall experience and atmosphere was constructed.
But in that final level, what didn't work about the controls combined with what was bad about the camera in such a way that it killed all my enjoyment, erased every good memory up to that point, and made me just want to be finished with the game so I could put it back in the case and never play it again.
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Shadow of the Colossus and Ico are two of the best games I've ever played, bar none. That said, I'm really debating whether to buy the collection, since I own both already. I would have expected a few more upgrades than just better resolution... Hm. We'll see I guess.
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i'll never play shadow of the colossus again. my friend had the game, and i'd been playing it. i beat every colossus, every level, every boss. did all the hard work. then after the second to last colossus before the final i decided to turn it off and go to sleep. while i was sleeping on my friend's couch, he turns it on, beats the last boss, and claims he beat the game. i did the work, i wanted to see the end, i wanted to do it, the jerk stole it from me. not doing it again.
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This entire thread is filled with "I don't understand the game, therefore it sucks"-likes. I interpret the word "gametrailers" as derogatory as the word "nigger".
I don't think this is a mere resolutpion upgrade, I've seen the Japanese ICO/SotC trailers and primarily SotC looks like a PS3 game.
Pre-ordered the JP LE as soon as it went up on Amazon, can't wait to play through these.
Oh, and they also released the ICO novel in English. I'll have to order it for collection's sake. →http://www.amazon.com/ICO-Castle-Ha...0630/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315561371&sr=8-1
I don't think this is a mere resolutpion upgrade, I've seen the Japanese ICO/SotC trailers and primarily SotC looks like a PS3 game.
Pre-ordered the JP LE as soon as it went up on Amazon, can't wait to play through these.
Oh, and they also released the ICO novel in English. I'll have to order it for collection's sake. →http://www.amazon.com/ICO-Castle-Ha...0630/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1315561371&sr=8-1
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My chance to own both again
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How does "the controls and camera suck" translate to that? Get your head out of your ass. So not everyone agrees with your glowing opinion of the game -- deal with it.
"Wahh, wahh, you guys just don't get it!" makes you sound like an angsty emo bitch.
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Have a whinge. Do you want me to point out the amount of people in this thread who write this game off as "artsy" when it isn't, or being overrated when it's not? It's hilariously easy to dismiss something rather than approach it, that's effort. It would take oh, 20 minutes or so to accurately depict the flaws presented, including yours--"control and camera"; was the framerate that hindered their performance, not the functions themselves.
Shadow of the Colossus runs perfectly fine on a good PC at 1080p under PS2 emulation. It's not the team's fault that they built a game which was too much for the PS2 to handle. Shadow of the Colossus runs on a PS2 like Crysis runs on Celeron. Then again I guess I'm pointing out the obvious, no?
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People tend to swing too much for the fences when it comes to criticizing a work of art that others unabashedly embrace. It's not enough for them to say 'FF VII isn't as good as people think' or 'Shadow of the Colossus isn't so hot.' They have to completely destroy it like it's their mission statement and the only way their view will be validated is if it's overstated.
I think it's different if a moderate voice shows a greater than normal level of irritation about something. Then, at least, you could say "man, dude must have really hated 'game X.'" It DOES get a little tiring when the same voices tend to hate everything by completely burying it in venom and fire.
As for the contention that the game's limitations are because of the console, I have to disagree and say that it's not a valid point.
Shadow of the Colossus is a PS2 game. If it doesn't run properly on the hardware, that is a failure of the product. You can't just say to someone 'play SotC on PC with emulation and you'll see how awesome it it.'
The game was designed to run on PS2. That is its platform. If it doesn't run right on its native platform, something is wrong and it's completely fair to criticize that.
That said, I still love both of these games for their unconventional approaches, their haunting atmospheres, lush environments and killer soundtracks. Will definitely be buying the HD release and I'm sure that even though they may still retain some of the 'flaws' of their forefathers, the differences will still be a real kick to experience.
I think it's different if a moderate voice shows a greater than normal level of irritation about something. Then, at least, you could say "man, dude must have really hated 'game X.'" It DOES get a little tiring when the same voices tend to hate everything by completely burying it in venom and fire.
As for the contention that the game's limitations are because of the console, I have to disagree and say that it's not a valid point.
Shadow of the Colossus is a PS2 game. If it doesn't run properly on the hardware, that is a failure of the product. You can't just say to someone 'play SotC on PC with emulation and you'll see how awesome it it.'
The game was designed to run on PS2. That is its platform. If it doesn't run right on its native platform, something is wrong and it's completely fair to criticize that.
That said, I still love both of these games for their unconventional approaches, their haunting atmospheres, lush environments and killer soundtracks. Will definitely be buying the HD release and I'm sure that even though they may still retain some of the 'flaws' of their forefathers, the differences will still be a real kick to experience.