GDP reading shows economy humming at a solid clip with few signs that inflation's a m

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Saw this and thought it was interesting (especially with all of the economic gloom forecasting going on):

GDP reading shows economy humming at a solid clip with few signs that inflation's a major problem.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - The economy shook off Hurricane Katrina and just about every other obstacle in the third quarter, growing at the fastest rate in a year and a half and topping even the most optimistic forecasts, a government report showed Wednesday.

The growth came without any troubling signs of rising inflation -- news that's good for workers on Main Street and investors on Wall Street.

Gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic activity, grew at a 4.3 percent annual rate in the quarter, the Commerce Department said, up from its original estimate of 3.8 percent growth made a month ago. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast that GDP growth would be revised up to a 4 percent rate.

The revised reading was the fastest pace of growth since the first quarter of 2004 and well above the 3.3 percent rate of growth in the second quarter.

The growth came despite two major hurricanes that slowed economic activity in the quarter, energy price shocks, higher interest rates and a record trade deficit in September, which subtracts from GDP.

"I think if you would have excluded the hurricanes, you would have been talking as much as 4.7 percent," said Anthony Chan, senior economist with JPMorgan Asset Management. "I don't think anyone would argue 4.6 percent,"

The report also showed inflation largely in check, even creeping backwards.

A reading on prices for personal spending excluding food and energy, one of the more closely watched inflation readings said to be a favorite of Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan, rose at 1.2 percent rate in the quarter, down from the 1.3 percent gain in the department's initial report.

Overall the price index rose 3.0 percent, down from the 3.1 gain previously reported.

"It's about as perfect a GDP report as you can get," said John Silvia, chief economist for Wachovia Securities. "We had thought the economy was doing OK, but we didn't think it was doing this well."

On Wall Street, stocks rose modestly after falling Monday and Tuesday on worries that recent signs of economic strength could force the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates more aggressively.

The two-day drop had threatened to disrupt the recent rally that's driven the S&P 500 and the Nasdaq market to 4-1/2 year highs and put the Dow industrials within striking distance of 11,000 -- a level last seen in June 2001.

Art Hogan, chief market analyst at Jefferies & Co., said investors were reassured by the GDP report's modest inflation readings, which helped calm worries on Wall Street that an overheating economy might spur the Fed to hike its fed funds rate, an overnight bank lending rate, to 5.0 percent or higher.

Most economists have been saying the nation's central bank, which has been raising rates for 17 months, would probably stop sometime next year when the fed funds rate reached 4.5 or 4.75 percent.

"The most important thing as we look at the economic data, we are really at a point where we need Goldilocks," said Art Hogan, chief market analyst at Jefferies & Co. "The more benign news we have on inflation, the better it is."
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Rade Kuruc said:
I suppose I should post something a little more flame inspiring:
The current administration isn't doing as bad of a job as many people around here seem to think!

(I could always say they're doing an awesome job, but that would be seriously pushing it.)
 

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melchia said:
I suppose I should post something a little more flame inspiring:
The current administration isn't doing as bad of a job as many people around here seem to think!

(I could always say they're doing an awesome job, but that would be seriously pushing it.)

GDP is only a measure of how much total money is generated for an economy as a whole. What it doesn't talk about is how poverty levels continue to rise to new highs and how social mobility is at it's lowest point since before the great depression. If you are wealthy, this economy is great. If you aren't, then it is shitty.

Oh, I forgot how to mention about how people can't afford rising energy or health care costs. Gotta toss that one in...
 

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IMTheWalrus said:
GDP is only a measure of how much total money is generated for an economy as a whole. What it doesn't talk about is how poverty levels continue to rise to new highs and how social mobility is at it's lowest point since before the great depression. If you are wealthy, this economy is great. If you aren't, then it is shitty.

Oh, I forgot how to mention about how people can't afford rising energy or health care costs. Gotta toss that one in...
is that to say, this sort of thing doesn't have an overall effect on the economy?
 

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This is definitly good news.

Of course, interest on our ever increasing federal deficit probably makes up a sizeable portion of this increase.

These types of reports have come checkerboarded with underwhealming, bad or dissapointing reports over the last 6 years.

Hopefully, we can put some people in power that actualy can foster and expand on such good happenings and not just use it for an excuse to take care of said "Base".
 

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norton9478 said:
This is definitly good news.

Of course, interest on our ever increasing federal deficit probably makes up a sizeable portion of this increase.

These types of reports have come checkerboarded with underwhealming, bad or dissapointing reports over the last 6 years.

Hopefully, we can put some people in power that actualy can foster and expand on such good happenings and not just use it for an excuse to take care of said "Base".

No insane socialist banter on how to fix everything in one fell swoop?

The Dems (who will most likely win the next presidential election) will probably cock everything up just like the Republicans. :chimp:
 

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IMTheWalrus said:
GDP is only a measure of how much total money is generated for an economy as a whole. What it doesn't talk about is how poverty levels continue to rise to new highs and how social mobility is at it's lowest point since before the great depression. If you are wealthy, this economy is great. If you aren't, then it is shitty.

Oh, I forgot how to mention about how people can't afford rising energy or health care costs. Gotta toss that one in...

New poverty highs? Higher than the Great Depression? Link? :chimp:
 

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It's good news or at least potentialy good news.....

GDP is an ok tool for looking at the ecconomy. It's not great. Especialy when you consider that the Federal Deficit (via interest paid to international lenders) boosts the GDP.

I prefer consumer indexing and quality of life assestments.

I'm sure certain people will use this as evidence that the ecconomy is doing fine (which it isnt), that people are better off today than 6 years go (which they don't belive to be true), that the Unprecedented GWB tax cuts are boosing the economy (which is VERY questionable) and that even more tax cuts (Estate, AMT, Captial Gains, etc) for the super rich should be put into place (an idea which most Ecconimists Scoff at).
 

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norton9478 said:
It's good news or at least potentialy good news.....

GDP is an ok tool for looking at the ecconomy. It's not great. Especialy when you consider that the Federal Deficit (via interest paid to international lenders) boosts the GDP.

I prefer consumer indexing and quality of life assestments.

I'm sure certain people will use this as evidence that the ecconomy is doing fine (which it isnt), that people are better off today than 6 years go (which they don't belive to be true), that the Unprecedented GWB tax cuts are boosing the economy (which is VERY questionable) and that even more tax cuts (Estate, AMT, Captial Gains, etc) for the super rich should be put into place (an idea which most Ecconimists Scoff at).
quality of life assessments, eh? links to evidence of all-time poverty highs, please
 

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melchia said:
links to evidence of all-time poverty highs, please

I didn't say that Dude... (Dudette is to fucking 90's).

It's not true....

I think that portions of the poverty gap may be at all time highs. I think that is what Walrus is talking about.
 

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This GDP increase doesn't mean very much if you don't balance (or nearly) the federal budget.......
 

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norton9478 said:
This GDP increase doesn't mean very much if you don't balance (or nearly) the federal budget.......

Or borrow billions from China. :chimp:
 

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melchia said:
let's just pretend that didn't happen :glee:

Heaven forbid we raise taxes a bit to cover the biggest fucking hurricane to hit the USA.

Lets borrow money from those yellow commie bastards!
 

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Magnaflux said:
Heaven forbid we raise taxes a bit to cover the biggest fucking hurricane to hit the USA.

Lets borrow money from those yellow commie bastards!

Or we could do option C:

1. Cut $50 Billion in SPending on medicaid (shifting more burden on the states), Student Loans, and home heating to help pay for Hurrican Relief Efforts.

2. Cut $70 Billion in taxes for the Wealthy.

3. Borrow an EXTRA $20 Billion from Communist Fascist (how they managed to become both is beyond me) China.

4. Do not really cough up any money for relief efforts. Except for those that best benifits big campaign doaners...

#1 was stopped in the house and Senate. (Thank God)
#2 has a really good chance of happening.
#3 will happen, but threefold
#4 Is going on right now.

I love Democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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norton9478 said:
Or we could do option C:

1. Cut $50 Billion in SPending on medicaid (shifting more burden on the states), Student Loans, and home heating to help pay for Hurrican Relief Efforts.



#1 was stopped in the house and Senate. (Thank God)


I love Democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was really pissed when those assholes even suggested that. WTF, cutting aid to the unemployed/retired/students is a stupid plan.

Why can't these fuckers on Capitol hill be men and sort this shit out?

Stupid democrats don't have any ideas and the stupid republicans have bad ideas.
 
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