It can be dangerous to be black and a legal gun owner in America

[Lagduf]

I haven’t watched the video of the “accidental” shooting (read: negligent) yet but I’m willing to accept that it was an an accident.

Unfortunately it’s an accident that the officer is going to have to own up to: which means serving time in prison and living with a felony conviction. You fuck up that bad you have to own it and you absolutely have to face the consequences.

 

[evil wasabi]

I haven’t watched the video of the “accidental” shooting (read: negligent) yet but I’m willing to accept that it was an an accident.

Unfortunately it’s an accident that the officer is going to have to own up to: which means serving time in prison and living with a felony conviction. You fuck up that bad you have to own it and you absolutely have to face the consequences.

We need to hold police to higher standards. Those officers should 100% lose their pensions over this. As a consolation, they can be herded at gun point into a barn and whoever lives, lives, but at least 10% must die. the ancient laws are sometimes the best.

 

[Lagduf]

We need to hold police to higher standards. Those officers should 100% lose their pensions over this. As a consolation, they can be herded at gun point into a barn and whoever lives, lives, but at least 10% must die. the ancient laws are sometimes the best.

As long as we we can have the guy who pepper sprayed the Army Lt. declared an enemy combatant and summarily sent to Gitmo and held with no legal representation for at least a decade then I support your plan.

 

[lithy]

A reminder that the most dangerous element of these stories continues to be quantity of police interactions for certain communities. I will contend it is still an urban vs. rural/suburban divide portrayed as white vs. black but whatever.

I don't know as much about the Army officer story yet, but I will say Mr. Wright did briefly resist which allowed for an opportunity for the officer to make a mistake. She fucked up real bad obv, but there was a story of a fat old man deputy making the same service weapon instead of taser mistake some years ago. Does anyone remember that story enough to find the outcome? What are reasonable charges for negligent discharge resulting in death?

Also a double reminder that women maybe shouldn't be on the police force? Physical strength or at least physical strength delta is a huge determinant in outcomes for some stories even stuff like George Floyd where it plays a part.

Whether the pretext for the stop was an expired registration (why does property need to be registered with the state?) or even if it was just air fresheners (double lol), Mr. Wright would probably be alive today if the focus of American policing was less focused on enforcement via the traffic stop and more focused on boring ass police work like figuring out where he lives and showing up to serve the warrant if he was that much if a concern. Traffic stops are tense situations for cops and citizens alike. That black people are made to feel hunted or martyred anymore does not seem to have helped in any way.

 

[Lagduf]

Traffic stops aside there is no doubt the guy who was shot (instead of being Thomas A Swifted) was resisting and/or use of force was necessary.

I think this case will be less about police over reach or brutality and should be about accountability. If you kill someone on accident you have to pay the price.

The police cannot accidentally kill someone and walk away. The outrage here will be if there are no charges. The officer just needs to take a plea deal here.

 

[LoneSage]

I posted this screenshot a week ago:

Which lithy took umbrage with, and apparently festered in the back of his mind for awhile. He couldn't understand, why would black gun owners face trouble for having their guns in visible sight and protesting loudly (during a pandemic when people were ordered to stay at home, and after a time when people were ordered to wear face masks in public)?

In fact, there are instances where being black and having a gun has gotten them killed by police:
https://apnews.com/74d47b3e3ae74d92be5d1dda0e8ab038









https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/

Right-wings news that used to be fringe decades ago is now front and stage. The fear of 'The Other' has been paraded since Trump became president.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...catch-22-for-black-men-shot-by-police/570124/



Then of course there was a young black man jogging who was hunted down and murdered just because he was black and running. The murder happened in February, but because of his close connections to the police department, the killer was never charged until video of it leaked on the internet:

So there are some things white people never think about black people, because why would they? Things like how black people have to do their hair, why black people put on lotion, why black people started the BLM movement (which was never against all lives mattering, but feeling a need to state that black lives matter, too), and why black people might be apprehensive to legally own a gun, much less have it out in public like the white protestors had.

Because the fact is is that police officers have killed black people who legally owned guns, and there are white people who kill black people simply because they're black. It's a fear.

Do I know black protestors with guns acting the exact same way, yelling right in front of cops' faces would get in trouble, or arrested, or shot? No, I don't know. But there would have been a possibility, IMO.

wasabi liked this post today.

 

[wyo]

Biden won so everything is fine now. Nothing to see here, close thread plz.

 

[Lagduf]

Biden (historically) and Harris have been part of the problem. They're both "tough on crime."

I don't know that police reform is yet on the administrations agenda.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to go assemble some unserialized firearms.

 

[racecar]

I haven’t watched the video of the “accidental” shooting (read: negligent) yet but I’m willing to accept that it was an an accident.

Unfortunately it’s an accident that the officer is going to have to own up to: which means serving time in prison and living with a felony conviction. You fuck up that bad you have to own it and you absolutely have to face the consequences.

Definitely , mistaken a handgun as a taser. Some people are not fit for the job but they got it anyway , this apply to lots of other positions.

 

[racecar]

Biden (historically) and Harris have been part of the problem. They're both "tough on crime."

I don't know that police reform is yet on the administrations agenda.

Now if you'll excuse me I need to go assemble some unserialized firearms.

Iam curious to see what are they doing with the prison reform as they have told the federal prison not to renew any of the private prison contracts . so they let them walk ? Now that they legalized weed their probably cutting down on the numbers .

 

[Lagduf]

Iam curious to see what are they doing with the prison reform as they have told the federal prison not to renew any of the private prison contracts . so they let them walk ? Now that they legalized weed their probably cutting down on the numbers .

I wish congress would abolish private and/or contract based prisons. It’s just reprehensible.

The burden of imprisonment lies on the state. It should not line the pockets of shareholders and corporations.

 

[wyo]

I wish congress would abolish private and/or contract based prisons. It’s just reprehensible.

The burden of imprisonment lies on the state. It should not line the pockets of shareholders and corporations.

I feel the same way about healthcare and utilities.

 

[@M]

It can be dangerous to refuse communion in a Christian Church when it's offered. Jesus' followers frown on not partaking of their ritual figurative cannibalism of his crunchy flesh and grape-flavored blood.

 

[racecar]

I wish congress would abolish private and/or contract based prisons. It’s just reprehensible.

The burden of imprisonment lies on the state. It should not line the pockets of shareholders and corporations.

If the government owns those same as utilitys and healthcare ...looking like socialism/ dictatorship. Maybe they can just outsourced it lol

 

[norton9478]

Also a double reminder that women maybe shouldn't be on the police force? Physical strength or at least physical strength delta is a huge determinant in outcomes for some stories even stuff like George Floyd where it plays a part.

From what I saw of the bodycam footage, the shooter's physical prowess was not an issue.

 

[evil wasabi]

From what I saw of the bodycam footage, the shooter's physical prowess was not an issue.

insecure people seek weapons

 

[norton9478]

insecure people seek weapons

Possibly....

but I just want to note that in this case the shooter was not the person handling the shooting victim.

 

[@M]

It can be dangerous to fight a clan of ninja on the roof of a semi truck barreling down a highway during rush hour traffic, even if you're generally regarded as being a pretty bad dude (let us pray that doesn't mean bad at overcoming years of dedicated ninjutsu training with the "skills" you learned brawling over marbles on the elementary school playground and watching WWF matches on TV).

 

[norton9478]

A reminder that the most dangerous element of these stories continues to be quantity of police interactions for certain communities. I will contend it is still an urban vs. rural/suburban divide portrayed as white vs. black but whatever.

I will contend that there are severe racial disparities in interactions (including use of force incidents) in Rural, Suburban and Urban police forces.

 

[evil wasabi]

Possibly....

but I just want to note that in this case the shooter was not the person handling the shooting victim.

Like Lithy wrote, traffic stops are tense for all parties involved. The police don't know what will happen to them. They're hearing stories about other cops getting shot for a minor ticket. They are insecure. It's a suboptimal situation.

We have to automate the process of the traffic stop, and we are getting there. When full self driving happens, and becomes universal, stops will become less frequent, and more clear cut.

 

[norton9478]

Like Lithy wrote, traffic stops are tense for all parties involved. The police don't know what will happen to them. They're hearing stories about other cops getting shot for a minor ticket. They are insecure. It's a suboptimal situation.

Or like in Virginia, where the cops were hyped and pissed because the guy pulled into a well lit area where the cops were 100x safer.

 

[evil wasabi]

Or like in Virginia, where the cops were hyped and pissed because the guy pulled into a well lit area where the cops were 100x safer.

Cops in NoVA aren't very good. Most of the time they're just the bad guys, no matter your skin color.

 

[Claudia Schiffer]

Cops in NoVA aren't very good. Most of the time they're just the bad guys, no matter your skin color.

they are usually bored AF with nothing better to do than flex to remind themselves how powerful they are

 

[lithy]

This was the story I referenced yesterday.

Killing of Eric Harris - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Also came across this one in the process which has some similarities.

Killing of Oscar Grant - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[sylvie]

It can be dangerous to be black and a legal gun owner in America. Here, take this!

​