What is love????

HIDDEN WARRIOR

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What is this phenomenon that I hear of everywhere?Its in music,tv,movies and litaruture.Can someone explain it?How does it feel like?How do you know its love and simply not hormones and lus t?Im looking for philosiphers to explain this to me.

p.s. please dont use "inapporiate words" in this thread or an internet filter will pop up and prevent me from viewing anything here.split the word se x and other stuff like it ok?
 

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I can see a lot of Love is.. posts. I'll be the first to start.

Love is when you care about someone elese more than you care about yourself.
 

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ok what is love?........good question! I am sorry i am no philosipher but here is what i think anyway!

mvsholic is right love is when you care about someone more than yourself.

You want to be with them all the time and care for them, you want to treat them right and keep them safe. It is a feeling that as soon as you get it you know straight away! You never want them to let you go and you dont want to let them go! You stay together no matter what happens. This is what i think anyway but i could be completely wrong!

If you listen to the words in love songs you might find your answer there!(Stupid thing to say really but it might help)

I hope that some of this has helped, sorry if it hasnt <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

[ July 28, 2001: Message edited by: SilverAngel ]
 

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I simply have to agree with Silver completely. The reason being is that i'm in love right now just unable to express it due to the fact that some idiot is going out with my Twinkle Star Sprite!!!
 

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Is their proof? I think it depends on what you feel is the real proof to you!

To me if i just look at familys and new married couples you can see the proof there!

Maybe not everyone sees it there but i can or its in the couples that have spent all there life together and still look deeply into each others eyes and hold hands down the street Thats where i can see the proof <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0">
 

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Originally posted by SilverAngel:
<STRONG>Is their proof? I think it depends on what you feel is the real proof to you!

To me if i just look at familys and new married couples you can see the proof there!

Maybe not everyone sees it there but i can or its in the couples that have spent all there life together and still look deeply into each others eyes and hold hands down the street Thats where i can see the proof <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

married couples?All I see and hear about are divorce.As for those family's...husband and wife become distant after a while.They stay together for the kids.One side of the room has the husband coldly reading his newspaper while the wife on the other side of the room is nitting or wondering wjere the passion in their marriage went.
 

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Originally posted by SilverAngel:
<STRONG>Hmmmmm that is also true. but what about the old couple part?</STRONG>

Never met any.Have you?

I bet they dont have the passion and true love for each other anymore.They just dont wanna die alone.
 

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The reason you hear about only divorce and such is because thats what you see in news now. Now people find bad things interesting. The reason you hear about it is because it's unusual to happen and such so all the normal married couples don't go looking in that subject. Hidden I think you may be trying to think of yourself as a hopeless romantic, but if you stop practicing negatism and start focusing on what is obtainable in your life then you may just find someone that you can share a whole life's bond with. So if you want a girlfriend you have to find one because it's not likely that someone will just pop up and say: Hi, i like you wana go out?? while being a perfect match.
 
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Love cannot be defined, Hidden Warrior.

In my opinion, though I am going to be wrong cause it is very vague.
Love is a meaning-producing system, that 1) helps a person define who he or she is,
2) brings some sense of security to a person,
3) is ever changing to keep with the needs of the relationship one is in.
I think without all three, one cannot be truly happy. If you have any questions, I'll be more than happy to explain how I cam to this.
 

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Its not just in the media(tv).Look around you.All my family has had divorce.Friends of my family also with divorce and their friends as well.

I dont believe in marriage cause I dont think it ever lasts.I give marriage a set date before its over.men and women arent really compatible.Thats a harsh truth many refuse to acknowledge.
 

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Originally posted by SHIN-HIDOSHI:
<STRONG>Love cannot be defined, Hidden Warrior.

In my opinion, though I am going to be wrong cause it is very vague.
Love is a meaning-producing system, that 1) helps a person define who he or she is,
2) brings some sense of security to a person,
3) is ever changing to keep with the needs of the relationship one is in.
I think without all three, one cannot be truly happy. If you have any questions, I'll be more than happy to explain how I cam to this.</STRONG>

feel free to explain.
 

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Well if you just stop being so negative then maybe it will at least get you a girl friend... <IMG SRC="smilies/cool.gif" border="0">
 

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ok then i dont know wot else to say! That is where i can see it! For some (maybe more then other familys) that is true but not for all familys! how about love for parent and child?
 

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Originally posted by SilverAngel:
<STRONG>ok then i dont know wot else to say! That is where i can see it! For some (maybe more then other familys) that is true but not for all familys! how about love for parent and child?</STRONG>

Or the love of a fine beer.

One would say love is like...catnip??
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Thanks Hidden Warrior.

For point 1) love usually helps define who someone is... Sometimes we don't know who we are..Love makes us do some strange things right?If we know who we are, we would already know what we are capable of doing. One must at least have a general idea of themselves before that person can love another. If that person doesn't, he/she will be molded into something by the person they love. On most occasions it is usually something that the person doesn't fit into.
2) how love brings a sense of security... Well love should be a shelter where you can feel safe when you need comfort. I meant this in a broad way. Yes people do argue. If one cannot communicate with the person they love, then the relationship cannot flourish, since it will become lopsided. love should make a person feel good{ this is a broad overview}, there will be days, that won't go your way, that is a part of real life. The reason why this security cannot be absolute is that if it were, there would be nothing to look forward to, or work for.
3) ever changing... In order for love to survive it must adapt to the changing needs of the relationship. That is why the people with the best relationships are constantly advancing while the basic concept of loving this person remains the same, the "how" I love this person constantly changes to keep up with how someone needs to be loved.
Does this makes sense, it is quite confusing. I am not implying that you take this at face value, but to keep it a corner of your mind, along with what everyone else has posted, written or told you, and then come up with what makes you feel the ebst.
 

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Interesting concept Blaine.... <IMG SRC="smilies/drool2.gif" border="0">

As for Hidden an example would be as the following:
Helps you Develop your own character: while being with this someone you feel refreshed and at ease while making you seem at your brightest point.


Security- This would be like if you hug your girlfriend then it's sort of a comforting thing that ensures your in safe hands.

The Ever changing needs: would be that you both are willing to help/confort the other at bad times. By helping eachother and knowing when you both need support is a crucial thing in a relation ship.
 

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Originally posted by SilverAngel:
<STRONG>ok then i dont know wot else to say! That is where i can see it! For some (maybe more then other familys) that is true but not for all familys! how about love for parent and child?</STRONG>

yOUR last sentence raises the question if children are created out of love and if children know what love is for a parent.

children are created out of selfishness and further proof of the incompatibility between men and women.I'll explain....

Did the parents ask the children if they wanted to be born in this horrible world?The parents wanted to be whole so thus they needed children in their lives to feel fulfilled.That what THEY wanted.Did they think about me?!DID THEY?!NO THEY DIDNT!!SELFISH!PARENTS EVEN HAVE CHILDREN WHEN THEY CANT AFFORD THEM WHICH CAUSES MUCH HARM TO THE CHILD.ITS UNFAIR!DID THEY THINK THAT MAYBE THE CHILD DOESNT WANT POVERTY FOR A CHILDHOOD?!!!

As for the incompatibility issue...
Why is it on TV its the guy who wants the baby but the women doesnt but in real life its the opposite.Do you know why guys are not exactly happy when you announce your pregnant.Cause there very satisfied with just you and your love.The women fulfills the man....but the man doesnt fulfill the woman.IN order for the woman to be fulfilled she wants a baby.Guys say yes and pretend to be happy cause they love the woman and just wanna make her happy but deep inside it hurts the guy to know that he can never fulfill her himself and his love isnt good enough.WHY CANT THE WOMAN BR HAPPY WITH THE GUYS LOVE?!A GUYS LOVE ISNT GOOD ENOUGH?!THEY NEED A BABY?!AS IF WE GUYS ARENT GOOD ENOUGH TO MAKE HER HAPPY?!WHY ARE WE SO FRIGGEN INCOMPATIBLE!!!!!!!????????


*calms down*
 

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Originally posted by SHIN-HIDOSHI:
<STRONG>Thanks Hidden Warrior.

For point 1) love usually helps define who someone is... Sometimes we don't know who we are..Love makes us do some strange things right?If we know who we are, we would already know what we are capable of doing. One must at least have a general idea of themselves before that person can love another. If that person doesn't, he/she will be molded into something by the person they love. On most occasions it is usually something that the person doesn't fit into.
2) how love brings a sense of security... Well love should be a shelter where you can feel safe when you need comfort. I meant this in a broad way. Yes people do argue. If one cannot communicate with the person they love, then the relationship cannot flourish, since it will become lopsided. love should make a person feel good{ this is a broad overview}, there will be days, that won't go your way, that is a part of real life. The reason why this security cannot be absolute is that if it were, there would be nothing to look forward to, or work for.
3) ever changing... In order for love to survive it must adapt to the changing needs of the relationship. That is why the people with the best relationships are constantly advancing while the basic concept of loving this person remains the same, the "how" I love this person constantly changes to keep up with how someone needs to be loved.
Does this makes sense, it is quite confusing. I am not implying that you take this at face value, but to keep it a corner of your mind, along with what everyone else has posted, written or told you, and then come up with what makes you feel the ebst.</STRONG>

thanks for the advice SHIN HIDOSHI.I'll use it when I fall in love.

Hopefully their a girl out there with a true kind spirit that can open my dark soul.
 

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Thats something out of my grasp...

I mean how the hel| am I susposed to know that??? I'm not trying to be to critical but it's like saying: Is there a god?
 

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Hidden i dont know what to say! Yeah there are bad times and good times in life but we have to get by them! Surely you have something that you love! Even if its your games or your self? Surely you must love summit? You have to stop being negative about things! Please!
 

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Originally posted by SilverAngel:
<STRONG>Hidden i dont know what to say! Yeah there are bad times and good times in life but we have to get by them! Surely you have something that you love! Even if its your games or your self? Surely you must love summit? You have to stop being negative about things! Please!</STRONG>

No I really dont have anything I love.Everything I have and own could go up in a fire and I wouldnt care.Everything is just for distraction.
 

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I wish i could help you but if you dont help yourself who can? You really need to stop thinking negativly! I dont want this to sound mean and i dont mean it to be mean
 
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