So that Networking Cart sold and now he's not listing anything new? Wonder if he took the money and ran...
NGF never takes money then runs. They list more things for sale with documents and pride.
shame is, IF it really sold, it likely went to some asshole and we'll never see any documentation on it (legit or not).So that Networking Cart sold and now he's not listing anything new? Wonder if he took the money and ran...
shame is, IF it really sold, it likely went to some asshole and we'll never see any documentation on it (legit or not).
I've been waiting & watching to see if he'll be just as unprofessional with the alleged upcoming items as that will create a serious dilemma. Truthfully, something already did happen that pretty much exposed the sad truth; more on that later when things get dicey.
Care to elaborate any more on that?
I'm pretty sure they have those protos with the flash cards but they are probably dead.
Right, that's the beauty of it.
They can call them whatever game they want. Slap a couple small stickers on them as well which label the cards as anything. List & sell them as any game; claiming they have no way to test them anymore, (which is why they can't provide pics), and sell them as is / where is and with no warranty implied & no returns. All sales final, and the buyer has no recourse. Seller can claim the cards data was volatile and the buyer messed them up when attempting to read them.
They could have a few legit protos, and possibly a box of those memory sticks in their SNK buy out.
Here is my theory though. They are in this for the money, and selling one copy of each proto doesn't seem like their style. If they had real protos, they would have flaunted them long ago, and in secret instead of calling them protos, called them undiscovered SNK AES releases, and produced them in moderate batches for a few hundred each, and made a killing.
Or option 2.
Of those protos, maybe one or two are real, but they lost the data because years ago they didn't know how to retreive it, or they kept it secret and they died before they dumped them. Now they may have a few dead boards, or manufatured a few proto boards with some leftover SNK memory cards like on those protos.
Basically, they don't have anything, and look through old neo geo documents and decide what to create next and label it as a rare accessory or proto. They probably never had anything good, or functional. And never will.
I mean if they really had anything, we would have known when they were in their prime, and taking all those photos of the buyout. Maybe they did and I missed that. My gut feeling is if they had it, we would have known by now, therfeore they never really did.
I was going to wait on this, but sure, fine, I will elaborate now: (for those with short attention spans, skip to the bottom for the quick version with pics; this first part is merely the sources, in case it is brought into question)
DATE: February 18, 2004
Chris Ray had some alleged neogeo protos for sale during this previous "fire sale"
(Bang Busters, Ironclad, Neo Pool Master)
Within hours of him listing them, I called him on the telephone to purchase them.
He claimed they were already sold. He also told me who purchased them. I later
confirmed with that person that the purchase never occurred and that it was a lie.
DATE: October 27, 2011
THREAD: "NGF history and snk buyout details"
TEXT: "I've added some photos of a few of the protos."
(Bang Busters, Mystic Wand, Last Odyssey, Neo Pool Master)
Dion Dakis posts up a bunch of pictures of unique cartridges and claims them
to be several protos.
DATE: April 27, 2016
Chris Ray begins another fire sale.
Among his intital listings, is the neo pocket station device.
He posts 4 pictures. 3 of the pictures are of the device in the listing.
However, 1 of the pictures is of a completely different (incorrect) item
that he obviously included by accident. (hey, this happens on ebay all the time)
Chris discovers his mistake, and on May 3 he deletes this fourth picture.
The auction ends with no bids on May 4th.
Of course, I saved the picture before he deleted it.
WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE?
The picture is of a "neogeo proto" cartridge. Which one? Who knows, yet.
But if he follows through on his own words:
"...please look to the future for some incredible pieces
of Neo Geo History, including original artwork, unreleased games
(Warlocks of the Fates, Last Odyssey, Dunk Star, and other treasures..."
SO............THE SHORT VERSION............
2004: Chris Ray claims this cartridge is Bang Busters, and he sells it!
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2011: Dion Dakis posts the same picture, as his Bang Busters, maybe Dion was the buyer?
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2004: Chris Ray claims this cartridge is Neo Pool Masters, and he sells it!
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2011: Dion Dakis claims this cartridge is Neo Pool Masters. Say what?
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2004: Chris Ray claims this cartridge is Ironclad, and he sells it!
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2011: Dion Dakis claims this cartridge is Mystic Wand!
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2016: Chris Ray intends to list this same cartridge for sale soon! But as which game?
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So do they, or did they ever, have any protos? Draw your own conclusions.
But keep in mind what I have always said:
A statement or a claim, a few pictures, a few screenshots, and even a video,
does NOT prove anything. All of these things together; working in conjunction
and in unison can sometimes be acceptable proof.
This is an excellent post and hopefully Chris/Dion will entertain this with an answer but I would also argue that the same irrefutable proof should be applied when purchasing an undiscovered U.S release and dog tag version that suddenly appear in 2016.
If you are going to apply standards to others (rightfully so) then you also need to do so yourself, fair comment ?
I just hope they dumped those or will very soon with help from others. Protos to become lost because of bitrot is a frightening thought. But I wouldn't put it beyond NGF to not dump out of pride.
These guys bent over backwards to show us boxes of cartridges and binders of artwork and resin statues of Mai and all other assorted CRAP, but yet despite being the most valuable and unique items they allegedly have, they have never provided anything with regards to their alleged protos? It is totally inconsistent, as usual.
Why would those still be safeguarded after 10+ years of being dumped?
I know it's not totally related to these auctions, but does anyone know what the story is behind the safeguarded rom dumps for Sun Shine, Magic Master, Last Odyssey, Dunk Star Basketball, and Warlocks of Fates that are mentioned on the NeoGeoProtos.com site? Why would those still be safeguarded after 10+ years of being dumped?