supreme court to consider death penalty for child rape

aria

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That Reuters link wouldn't load for me, so I cross checked on the Times-Picayune (it happened in Louisiana, so it knows the details) and New York Times (which tends to explain legal issues pretty well):

Here are the articles if others are having similar problems:
U.S. top court to hear La. child rape case
by Paul Purpura, The Times-Picayune
April 14, 2008 08:19AM

Revisiting for the first time in more than 30 years the question of whether the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for rape, the U.S. Supreme Court will hear arguments Wednesday in the case of a Jefferson Parish man who was sentenced to die for raping a child in Harvey.

Attorneys for Patrick O'Neal Kennedy want the nation's high court to rule as unconstitutional the Louisiana aggravated-rape statute provision that lets prosecutors pursue the death penalty against people convicted of raping children younger than 13.

A majority of state Supreme Court justices upheld the 1995 statute last year, ruling the rape of a child "is like no other crime." Kennedy's attorneys argue the law is contrary to the Eighth Amendment's cruel and unusual punishment clause.

Legal experts say a ruling would clarify a 1977 U.S. Supreme Court decision, Coker v. Georgia, which banned the death penalty for rape of an adult.

"We're basically just saying the United States Supreme Court should follow Coker," said Billy Sothern of the Capital Appeals Project in New Orleans, which represents Kennedy.

The case is not expected to have widespread impact on whether death is the appropriate punishment for offenses in which victims do not die. Only two men are on death row for raping children, both in Louisiana. Four other states have similar laws.

"Obviously, if the Supreme Court says that the death penalty is a disproportionate punishment for the crime of a rape of a child, then that would invalidate the Louisiana statute and it would invalidate the statutes in several other states," said John Blume, a Cornell University law professor and director of the Cornell Death Penalty Project. "It would shut the door on that issue, which many people thought had been shut in Coker v. Georgia."

8-year-old victim

Until December, Kennedy, 43, was the only person out of more than 3,300 nationwide who was on death row for rape. He was convicted in 2003 of raping an 8-year-old relative in the Woodmere subdivision March 2, 1998.

The girl initially told detectives she was selling Girl Scout cookies from the family's garage when two teenagers dragged her to a neighboring yard and raped her. Detectives said Kennedy fashioned the story and booked him with aggravated rape, months before the girl recanted and told police Kennedy raped her in her bed.

If the Supreme Court strikes down Louisiana's statute, the conviction will still stand, Jefferson Parish District Attorney Paul Connick Jr. said, as the court is only considering whether the death penalty is warranted in child rape cases.

"If they said it's not, we don't have to retry the case," Connick said, adding that Kennedy would be resentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole.

Jefferson Parish prosecutors argue the punishment fits the crime, pointing out the girl's injuries, requiring surgery, and Kennedy's initial attempts to cover up the crime. In arguing before the state Supreme Court last year, prosecutor Juliet Clark, who will present Louisiana's position Wednesday, said child rape is comparable to murder.

"It's the murder of a victim's innocence," Clark said.

Other states' support

Texas, Oklahoma, Montana and South Carolina, which also have laws allowing the death penalty for child rapists, supported Louisiana's statute in briefs filed before the Supreme Court. Those laws represent a trend toward making child rape a capital offense, they say, expecting that justices in part will base their ruling on whether there's a national and international consensus in support of executing child rapists.

The Louisiana Supreme Court found last year there is such a trend. Missouri, in its brief supporting Louisiana, says it, Colorado, Mississippi, Alabama and Tennessee are considering similar laws.

Nine other states, led by Texas, also side with Louisiana, saying in a brief that Kennedy's act "was so heinous that it marks him among the worst type of criminal offenders, deserving of the death penalty."

But in their brief, British jurists and academics conclude that Louisiana has gone against the international grain, as offenses that carry the death penalty have grown fewer.

Burt Foster, a visiting criminal justice professor at Michigan's Saginaw Valley State University and an author on the death penalty, said Louisiana created "a blip" in passing its statute, and followed with another by sending two convicts to death row.

"Neither of those blips have inspired corresponding blips in other states," Foster said, adding that since 2002, the Supreme Court has ruled that the mentally retarded and juvenile offenders cannot be executed, and the number of death sentences handed down by juries in the past decade has reduced dramatically.

"The death penalty has sort of generally narrowed or withered in its application," Foster said.

It's a view shared by Sothern of the Capital Appeals Project: "A small ripple of states in the past decade passing legislation does not in any shape or form constitute a trend."

Opponents of law

Criminal defense attorneys and social worker groups, including the Hammond-based Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault, have filed briefs opposing the law.

Children are unreliable witnesses, the attorneys say. The social workers say the specter of death could lead rapists to kill their victims to eliminate witnesses. Also, they say, the majority of victims know their attackers as family or friends.

"We know that child rape cases are extremely underreported," said Judy Benitez, executive director of the Louisiana Foundation Against Sexual Assault, a nonprofit organization of sexual assault centers. "We're afraid that where there's a possibly of death, this will increase underreporting."

In the Coker case, the high court viewed the victim -- a married 16-year-old -- as an adult. The decision left open the question of whether child rape was a capital offense.

Jefferson Parish prosecutors twice failed to persuade juries to recommend death to convicted rapists before they succeeded with Kennedy. In December, a Caddo Parish jury recommended that Richard Davis die for raping a 5-year-old girl.

No one has been executed for rape in the United States since 1964. The last time Louisiana executed a rapist was in 1957. The last time Jefferson Parish carried out an execution for rape was in 1952, when two men were electrocuted at the parish courthouse in Gretna, Foster said.

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Paul Purpura can be reached at ppurpura@timespicayune.com or (504) 826-3791.

January 5, 2008
Justices to Decide if Rape of a Child Merits Death
By LINDA GREENHOUSE - The New York Times

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court agreed on Friday to decide whether the Constitution allows the death penalty for the rape of a child.

The justices acted only three days before a scheduled argument in another important death penalty case, on the standard for judging whether chemicals used to administer lethal injections make that method of execution unconstitutionally cruel.

The new case, from Louisiana, is likely to be argued in April, meaning that during the course of its current term, the Supreme Court will be examining both the most common method of execution and a categorical question about which crimes are appropriate for the death penalty.

No one has been executed in the United States for a crime other than murder since 1964. Of some 3,300 inmates of death row today, only two are facing execution for an offense that did not involve a killing. Both are on Louisiana’s death row. The Supreme Court agreed to hear an appeal from one of them, Patrick Kennedy, who was convicted and sentenced to death in 2004 for raping his 8-year-old stepdaughter.

In 1977, as part of its wide-ranging re-examination of capital punishment, the Supreme Court prohibited the death penalty for rape. While that ruling, Coker v. Georgia, did not specifically discuss the rape of a child — the victim, although only 16, was a married woman who was raped at knifepoint — the decision has been widely understood as limiting the death penalty to the crime of murder.

In the principal opinion in the Coker case, Justice Byron R. White wrote that “we have the abiding conviction that the death penalty, which is unique in its severity and irrevocability, is an excessive penalty for the rapist who, as such, does not take human life.”

But in recent years, a handful of states, responding to public outcries about sex crimes against children, have amended their death penalty statutes to make the rape of a child a capital offense. Louisiana was the first to do so, amending its death-penalty law in 1995 to apply to the rape of a child under the age of 12. The other states with similar provisions are Georgia, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Texas. Unlike Louisiana, most limit the death penalty to defendants who were previously convicted of sexual assault against a child.

The Louisiana Supreme Court rejected Mr. Kennedy’s appeal last year in a 64-page opinion that concluded that “rape of a child under the age of 12 years of age is like no other crime” and that death was not a disproportionate punishment. Taking note of the recent state laws, the court said there was “compelling” evidence of a national trend toward treating the crime as distinct from others.

The United States Supreme Court’s recent death penalty jurisprudence has paid close attention to evidence of whether contemporary society has reached a consensus on particular applications of capital punishment. The court relied on such an analysis to rule out the death penalty for mentally retarded defendants in 2002 and for juvenile killers in 2005. Louisiana is now invoking the same approach to argue that an application of the death penalty once widely deemed unconstitutional has become permissible.

Mr. Kennedy’s lawyers are arguing that any such “trend” is illusory. “By any objective measure,” their brief says, Mr. Kennedy’s sentence “is not only cruel and unusual; it is cruel and unique.”

The other inmate is Richard Davis, who was sentenced to death on Dec. 12 for sexually molesting a 5-year-old girl.

The appeal, Kennedy v. Louisiana, No. 07-343, was filed by lawyers from the Capital Appeals Project, in New Orleans; the Stanford Law School Supreme Court Litigation Clinic; and a New Orleans law firm, Adams and Reese.

Among other briefs filed at the court on Mr. Kennedy’s behalf was one from the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, arguing that the Louisiana law presents “an intolerably high risk” that innocent defendants will be put to death. The reason, the group asserts, is that testimony by children, who are usually the principal witnesses in child rape cases, is often unreliable.

Another brief, from social workers and organizations working with sexual assault victims, describes the Louisiana law, with its broad definition of rape and its drastic penalty, as counterproductive and likely to lead to under reporting of offenses, especially within families.
 

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Here are my thoughts... I'm not really hot on this quote from the Times-Picayune:

In arguing before the state Supreme Court last year, prosecutor Juliet Clark, who will present Louisiana's position Wednesday, said child rape is comparable to murder.

"It's the murder of a victim's innocence," Clark said.

I can see the argument for the first paragraph, but that last quote bothers me a bit... by phrasing it as the "murder of a victim's innocence", I don't know if I could argue for the death penalty. That happens too much --parents do it to kids very, very rarely; but with enough frequency to make it notable.

The Supreme Court has said juvenile offenders cannot be executed, so if the perpetrator was 16 or 17, having done as or more heinous a rape of a child... then the situation gets even more weird.

But going back to the unfortunate frequency of parents and family raping/abusing kids, I can see the opponents' concern over underreporting --you might find some messy situations where people who would turn in a family member for jail might not if it means they get executed. You might find kids, who in their own immature and traumatized emotional state, might change their testimony in order to protect a family member who raped them to prevent an execution. People look the other way a lot, I fear this might encourage it.

Do we start executing some of those crazy polygamists from Texas if it ends up someone married a 12 year old?

I don't know. Cases like this are why the Supreme Court is life-appointment. You don't want to make a tough decision and then face reelection.
 

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That quote just murdered my good mood.
 

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Bobak said:
you might find some messy situations where people who would turn in a family member for jail might not if it means they get executed. You might find kids, who in their own immature and traumatized emotional state, might change their testimony in order to protect a family member who raped them to prevent an execution. People look the other way a lot, I fear this might encourage it.

This is a very good point.
 

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Bobak said:
Do we start executing some of those crazy polygamists from Texas if it ends up someone married a 12 year old?

Fuck, as awesome as that would be, I just think that a death penalty for rape law would be way too abusable. And as horrible as rape is, it just isn't on the same level as murder, in my opinion.
 

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I sort of agree with Galfordo...at least you're still alive? Meh.

I don't support the death penalty anyway.
 

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galfordo said:
Fuck, as awesome as that would be, I just think that a death penalty for rape law would be way too abusable. And as horrible as rape is, it just isn't on the same level as murder, in my opinion.


"Let the punishment fit the crime" is a fine philosophy.

Tattoo "CHILD RAPIST" to his forehead and legally change his name to said occupation. Then list it as such in the phone books lol.
 

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From my rudimentary understanding of prison, movies, OZ, etc, it would seem that going to prison as a child rapist might be worse than being killed.
 

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I see absolutely no way in hell this could fly. Zero.
 

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galfordo said:
Fuck, as awesome as that would be, I just think that a death penalty for rape law would be way too abusable. And as horrible as rape is, it just isn't on the same level as murder, in my opinion.

GOVERNA... Wait, what?!

:(



It's true though.

People love to call for pedophile blood because there's really not much you can say for them in the way of extenuating circumstances.
But rape is nothing at all like murder.

I'd like to see punishments put into place for lawmakers who use shitty rhetoric like "murdering the child's innocence," though.

And then I'd like to see those punishments made harsher.
 

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I don't believe in the death penalty, but I do think any adult caught raping a child should face either life in jail and if released, some sort of castration. Chemical or surgical, I'm not sure.

Pederasts know what they are doing. Well aware of what they are into and why it is wrong. See Charlie Crumb (R. Crumb's brother). He kept himself medicated and eventually resorted to suicide (besides being brutally abused by his father, he also had a strange attraction to boys).
 

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killing a child's soul = killing a child

Its one thing to rape a 23 year old, yeah I feel sorry for the person, but to rape a child (and i'm talking like 0 to about 14 or 15 years old). That kid is going to be fucked up for the rest of their life.
 

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Worst is child porn...

Those victims go the rest of thier life knowing that people are still looking at their picture...
 

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Bobak said:
From my rudimentary understanding of prison, movies, OZ, etc, it would seem that going to prison as a child rapist might be worse than being killed.

Going to prison as a child rapist is indeed worse than being killed.

The likelihood is that the person would wind up being killed in prison anyway. Or if they aren't killed, I would suspect they would rather be dead after what will happen to them as far as beatings go.

Putting the guy in prison really is a death sentence in itself...they might as well do that. Prison justice FTW.
 

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zombiesara said:
Its one thing to rape a 23 year old, yeah I feel sorry for the person, but to rape a child (and i'm talking like 0 to about 14 or 15 years old). That kid is going to be fucked up for the rest of their life.

I dunno, raping a 23 yo is still pretty bad.

Now that I think about it, people seem to rank the rape scale as follows:

Raping a kid/baby is worse than raping a very old person is worse than raping a retard is worse than raping a non-retarded-handicapped-person is worse than raping a younger teenager is worse than raping a normal person is worse than raping a fat person is worse than raping a prisoner.

The sad thing is, all jokes aside, that scale seems about how people act.

I admit I left out Catholic altar boy and a handful of others.
 

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i'd appreciate it if they put down one of the reasons for the death penalty as REVENGE and stop beating around the bush about it.
 

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LoneSage said:
i'd appreciate it if they put down one of the reasons for the death penalty as REVENGE and stop beating around the bush about it.

Here you go nancy ...

Reasons for the death penalty:

1) Revenge
2) Revenge
3) Revenge
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I hope you're satisfied.
 

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I'm against the death penalty because it's soft on crime.

If you faced either:

1. A quick and painless death
2. A lifetime of getting constantly assraped, beaten to a pulp, and cavity searched

Which would you choose?

Plus all the innocent guys getting executed. That's kind of horrible
 
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