The !arcade! Thread...

[Wan-Fu]

Where to begin? I think !Arcade! is a fantastic businessman. They saw the demand for a converter that could play protected games and they delivered. Personally, I am not interested in Strikers or AES2 at the proposed prices but I can respect other people's desire in these products. I do not have an overtly negative attitude towards !Arcade! like some of you nor do I think they are the second coming of christ. They are businessmen and they are in it for money. Is that bad? Hell no.

The only gripe I have against them is that they refuse to admit that their converter has a problem playing on older systems. They place the blame on the systems by saying that they are overused, or the cart slots are too loose..well you know the drill. However, those same systems play every home cartridge made by SNK. Seems to me the converter should be able to do the same. Its like Microsoft releasing a new operating system and saying we will not work on Packard Bell because they make horrible computers. While their statement about Packard Bell may be true, their stance is certainly not acceptable.

How to fix the !Arcade! converter problem you ask? First, I think they should make an earnest effort to get their converter working with all systems. Second, they should offer free replacement for owners of old converters. Finally, the cartridge slot replacement can be provided as a last option but they should let you buy the new connectors at cost price and install them yourself. Shipping to Canada and back plus $50 they typically charge for the new connectors adds up to over $100 which is too much.

I am glad !Arcade! is around and with a few changes in their business practices they will have my full support.

[ August 07, 2001: Message edited by: Wan-Fu ]

 

[TonK]

The fact remains...you guys bitch about NGF yet you support the same bootlegger...

Maybe you didn't catch the SS auction...

I GUARANTEE if NGF was selling the games you people would be on it like a bum on a bologna sandwich...

Mr. Millionaire would rather invest in a new VTEC than a Strikers cart BTW...

I have other priorities besides the Neo...

For the record I'm not a millionaire...

Here is the actual email I sent Shawn to cancel my order..

Cancel my order on Strikers, I found something for my car I need to get. Actually HAVE to get <IMG SRC="smilies/frown.gif" border="0"> I burned up the piston and exaust valves...

Let the collectors get it, I'm not too sure about !arcades! products anyway...

Sorry...

I'm currently in the market for a MINT Ghost Pilots Japanese...

But please cancel the order...

-mike

 

[nick_th_fury]

The fact remains...you guys bitch about NGF yet you support the same bootlegger...
Maybe you didn't catch the SS auction...

I GUARANTEE if NGF was selling the games you people

*copy/paste*


Why is that exactly?
Many people have problems with NGF's past dealings, which have nothing to do with making inserts or stickers?

I for one, have always thought any work on creating inserts or stickers for unreleased games, or to replace destroyed or lost ones of released games was just fine.
If it makes a neo fan happy, more power to them.

So exactly what is it that !arcade is doing with those that you feel would make someone an instant hypocrit if they prasie em?

I have always felt if it's your property, what th hell.

I just don't like it whenever someone takes fan made items, such as this, then promotes them as official company products.

I have never seen !arcade claim that their works are official & rare SNK merchandise.

As long as they are truthful with their customers, treat them in a profesional manner, ship items via the options paid for by their customer, then I see no problem at all.

 

[7zark7]

It would be nice to know that some of the $400 was going to go to the developer. There is a team of guys somewhere that busted ass on that game. It would at least be better if the game came with a purchased copy of the PSX port. Or better yet Arcade could send a chunk of the dough to the developer, hell even get the rights, now theres a concept!

I understand the hunger for new neo games, and the void that arcade is trying to fill....still if someone posted a CDR with a color manual and the rom for ANY price no one would approve....hmmmm

 

[nick_th_fury]

It would be nice to know that some of the $400

So what?

There nothing alike.
When you buy software, your buying "one" user license.

Arcade Bought one MVS copy of strikers for every one of these.

Therefore the developer got their $$$.
They got exactly what they asked for, for each copy.
& SNK got their $$$ as a distributer of the roms.

This is a conversion, not piracy.

Selling a rom CD is piracy, each developer has to be paid for each individual license.
No developer gets a dime that way.
Snk doesnt get paid either.
Thats when its wrong.
Thats the difference.

 

[djbomberman]

Originally posted by TonK:
<STRONG>
Mr. Millionaire would rather invest in a new VTEC than a Strikers cart BTW...


-mike</STRONG>

What are you getting? The RSX type S, Prelude Type SH, Cl Coupe Type s, Civic SI, or the S2000? <IMG SRC="smilies/wink.gif" border="0">

 

[TonK]

Sorry DJ, just an engine <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

 

[djbomberman]

Originally posted by TonK:
<STRONG>Sorry DJ, just an engine <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0"></STRONG>

...oh so you're bitching out....... <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0"> <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

 

[TonK]

?

 

[djbomberman]

Originally posted by TonK:
<STRONG>?</STRONG>

......it was a joke....meaning that you were just bitching out and buying the engine....instead of the entire car......nevermind...guess it wasn't that funny...... <IMG SRC="smilies/eek2.gif" border="0">

 

[TonK]

LOL...I'm slow!

 

[yuckydog]

Sorry but $400 when compared to buying an engine is a drop in the bucket. For all that you have been bragging about, I would think that you could afford both.

OT: Anybody interested in a complete with box SDB MVS kit?

James

 

[TonK]

For the record I'm not a millionaire...

It was a joke...I'm not a millionaire <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I wish I was though...

Jim, if you still want pics of the development let me know... <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0">

Anyway, this is sort of derailing the thread...

[ August 07, 2001: Message edited by: TonK ]

 

[Ralfakick]

Hello I do not have a strong opinion either way. Personally I do not have that kind of money to buy the cart anyway. I did in fact buy a Phantom convertor from someone off of ebay when I decided that my new neo cd machine would not solve my neo hunger. I do question the quality somewhat (part of the molding was cracked when I received it, but that was told when I bought it Thats how I could afford it.) Since then I have also cracked off pieces of the molding when putting a cart into the convertor(man it is tight.) I also had a hell of a time getting it to work with my 12000 series Us machine. (Tightening the screw does do wonders.) That does not say that I wouldn't order from arcade again if the desire arises, but I also plan on getting a strikers mvs cart from MDgame sales later. That way I get to play the game as it was meant to be played anyway and I get some neat headers and stuff. I feel that this is the better solution if you really need to have the cart that way you can use your phantom convertor for another mvs game later for about the same price or cheaper on ebay. (I have for Shock Troopers 2 and soon Mark of the Wolves). I do not know if a cart was being sacrificed to make this but it also saves precious home carts. That's my cents (I write alot so it is more than 2)
Ralfakick
Ps you can also solve your strikers hunger for about 30 dollars on PSX from EB that also works

 

[Highlander67]

I think in any business, there is Money to be made. While I think Arcade is making a great effort trying to keep the Neo Community enriched with new Neo Items, the price is somewhat unbearable. I had a similar conversation with Shawn a while back and how Super Dodge Ball will most likely be the next Cart to be Released by Arcade. While that is a better game (in my opinion) that is still not worth paying over $300.00 for it. The real answer is tat if anyone wants to have it, they can find the roms for it. Simple and easy and cheap because it's hard to argue over free.

While I can only speak for myself, I have to agree with LWK on this one, he seems to be somewhat abrasive but he is dead on the mark. There is one thing that keeping the Neo community alive is a good thing. The other is milking alot of money out of us for it.

I guess this question is up there with How many licks it takes to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop. Somehow I don't think the answer is three.

[ August 07, 2001: Message edited by: Highlander67 ]

 

[yuckydog]

Originally posted by TonK:
<STRONG>It was a joke...I'm not a millionaire <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

I wish I was though...

Jim, if you still want pics of the development let me know... <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0">

Anyway, this is sort of derailing the thread...

[ August 07, 2001: Message edited by: TonK ]</STRONG>

No, that's ok. the contradiction was just bothering me. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

James

[ August 07, 2001: Message edited by: yuckydog ]

 

[Geddon_jt]

>>>>>>
So what?

There nothing alike.
When you buy software, your buying "one" user license.

Arcade Bought one MVS copy of strikers for every one of these.

Therefore the developer got their $$$.
They got exactly what they asked for, for each copy.
& SNK got their $$$ as a distributer of the roms.

This is a conversion, not piracy.

Selling a rom CD is piracy, each developer has to be paid for each individual license.
No developer gets a dime that way.
Snk doesnt get paid either.
Thats when its wrong.
Thats the difference.
>>>>>


I was going to make a long post saying basically exactly what Trey said. He beat me to the punch, as usual <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

The Strikers cart is NOT a bootleg, it is NOT illegal, and it is NOT official SNK produced. It IS a great game, and those 50 people who can appreciate it at $400 a pop consider themselves very lucky it is being offered.

 

[TonK]

Its a FAKE AES cart...

The game was never released on AES format...

50 lucky people?

I guess I'm unlucky since I cancelled my order...

WooHoo custom boards, like their piece of shit converters...

Gold Stamped...whoah! How fucking neat...

I remember his rude comment to Ray E. about his store...

 

[brentsg]

I hate to break it to you guys, but profit makes the world go around. No one here can survive without someone making a profit. I'm not sure why everyone feels that since it's the Neo Geo that people should treat it like some kind of charity. I don't see people complain about the grocery store marking up the food, the car dealerships making some bucks, etc...

This post isn't directed at you Highlander67, I have just seen a lot of posts about how people should sell home carts cheap, not drive up prices, and how Arcade shouldn't make a decent profit on his work.

If he isn't going to make a profit, exactly what is his motivation for producing anything? It's not like he's cranking out a shoddy conversion, take a look at the equipment and such that he is using. That stuff wasn't free.

Brent

Originally posted by Highlander67:
<STRONG>While I can only speak for myself, I have to agree with LWK on this one, he seems to be somewhat abrasive but he is dead on the mark. There is one thing that keeping the Neo community alive is a good thing. The other is milking alot of money out of us for it.
[ August 07, 2001: Message edited by: Highlander67 ]</STRONG>

[ August 07, 2001: Message edited by: brentsg ]

 

[TonK]

We are the dumbasses that pay for it....

I'm done 'till prices fall...

 

[Geddon_jt]

>>>>
Its a FAKE AES cart...
The game was never released on AES format...
>>>>

By SNK.

What do you mean by "fake" cart? You can touch it, feel it, plug it into your neo. And if you turn your neo on, you will be playing strikers. How is that "FAKE"?

True, its not assembled by SNK, but no Strikers home cart ever will be.

50 lucky people?

I guess I'm unlucky since I cancelled my order...

I remember his rude comment to Ray E. about his store...
>>>>

I dont' see how !Arcade! really has anything to do with a decision to buy this game. We aren't paying him, we are paying Shawn. He is just assembling it and producing it for Shawn. We are Shawn's customers, not his. Thus, the burden for customer satisfaction lies with Shawn, NOT !Arcade!

"Rude comments" are irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that people get what they paid for.

 

[TonK]

I hope the games don't crack... <IMG SRC="smilies/loco.gif" border="0">

 

[outsider]

Originally posted by TonK:
<STRONG>We are the dumbasses that pay for it....

I'm done 'till prices fall...</STRONG>

haha, coming from mr. money bags...

why do you drive an old integra anyway? Shouldnt you step into something much more meaner and expensive? Money is no object to you according to your posts.

 

[Highlander67]

BrentG,

No offense Taken. I agree that everyone needs to make a profit. I even stated that in my post. It just seems that the price for this cart and with all the delays and problems people have been having with !Arcade! seems to be somewhat more then the average person may want to bear.

Oh erll, people are going to believe in what they want to.

A vacation is in order. LWK you game for a cruise <IMG SRC="smilies/glee.gif" border="0">

 

[Daisuke Jigen]

What else is it that Arcade does that he would have this machinery? Printing presses? Molds/dies for injection molding cart shells? I doubt he designed the PCBs on his own, or runs all that equipment by himself. He should be losing so much fucking money on this poject. And he's going to keep doing this? I seriously would like to know exactly what it is his company does that he has these resources. It just strikes me as somewhat odd that he would just take on this financially battering project for fun.