I think I agree with Abu Imran to be honest. He's right. There isn't a democratic Muslim. Am I wrong in assuming that the laws of Islam can't separate it's own fascist ideology, or pick and choose, or it isn't Islam? I mean, this isn't some open to interpretation thing. It's a system of political ideology, and religion. Attached together, and that attachment cannot be separated. Putting your will with god is not Islam? How is Jihad and terrorism not Islam, because it's negative and people won't accept it? Is there actually a passage in the later writings to kill non believers on sight? Understand I have not read the Quran, Sura or the Hadith, so feel free to chime in. I've checked out some passages in arabic, and I can see why someone would follow it. Its VERY interesting.
Can you have just have mecca without Medina? Both are part of Muhammed's life correct? I can see how some would want to adopt only Mecca, as I'd think it has a more peaceful side and was Muhammed's first iteration, but according to that Bill Warner guy, mecca was a failure. It was only through the fear and intimidation of his arrival in Medina do we see Islam as a world wide success. I was checking out a wiki and original Muhammed wanted a alliance with Christians and Jews and his attitude later changed.
"In the course of Muhammad proselytizing in Mecca, he viewed Christians and Jews (both of whom he referred to as "People of the Book") as natural allies, part of the Abrahamic religions, sharing the core principles of his teachings, and anticipated their acceptance and support. Muslims, like Jews, were at that time praying towards Jerusalem. In the Constitution of Medina, Muhammad demanded the Jews' political loyalty in return for religious and cultural autonomy.[6]
The Jewish clans however kept aloof from Islam though in the course of time there were a few converts from them.[7] After his migration to Medina, Muhammad's attitude towards Christians and Jews changed. Norman Stillman states:[8]
During this fateful time, fraught with tension after the Hijra [migration to Medina], when Muhammad encountered contradiction, ridicule and rejection from the Jewish scholars in Medina, he came to adopt a radically more negative view of the people of the Book who had received earlier scriptures. This attitude was already evolving in the third Meccan period as the Prophet became more aware of the antipathy between Jews and Christians and the disagreements and strife amongst members of the same religion. The Qur'an at this time states that it will "relate [correctly] to the Children of Israel most of that about which they differ" (XXVII, 76)."
Islam moving into these other countries, establishing no go zones and other forms of separation make for hot spots for revolting against those said people. To allow that due to the fear of political correctness, because white people are largely idiots doesn't make it right either. You can't just see etc. brown and black face as untouchable or unquestionable on behavior. What if Nazi Germany came back right now, but every member of it was black? How much 'apologism' do you think might follow that mentality with unjust dishonesty that what is being taught is oppressive, cruel and evil? I know Merkel would sit there powerless with that stupid fucking frown on her face.
The way I see it, the moderate Muslims don't even count as Muslims according to these guys, and they are easy targets, so they are at a high risk with the arrival of migrants. You can't discriminate on who you can take in based on belief or religion, so that's out. Honestly, these dudes have the perfect set up for any form of conquest based ambition. Brussels IMO is just the beginning. I think this shit is going to get worse and fast. Doesn't stuff like this happen in the middle east constantly between sunni and shia? Other countries that adopt Islam in large numbers will see the same thing. To me it comes with the territory of allowing it in your country. It happens on a constant in the middle east, so I don't see any exception being made for Europe. I think Europe is stupid and doesn't look at there own history on how brutally this was fought. Look to Spain for a history of it.