How much are you killing the planet? AKA what type of vehicle do you drive?

[lithy]

Top 9 Best Diesel Hybrid Cars of 2025

Our resident experts have pulled together the best diesel hybrid cars on the market today.

www.carwow.co.uk

These are all plug in hybrids though, the engine still drives the wheels unlike the diesel electric setup for trains and subs where the diesel generator powers the batteries which in turn powers the locomotion or propulsion.

 

[Fygee]

Mustang Mach-E GT 2022. I fucking love it.

Any time I have to drive a gas car, I feel like I'm going back to the Dark Ages.

 

[StevenK]

Mustang Mach-E GT 2022. I fucking love it.

Any time I have to drive a gas car, I feel like I'm going back to the Dark Ages.

The first thing I notice is old school cars are really fucking slow

 

[Neo Alec]

Something I have always wondered is how much extra coal, natural gas, (insert fuel source here) is being used to charge all of the EVs hitting the roads?

Solar panels have been on my project list for the house for a while. I just can't ever quite pull the trigger. Too busy, mostly.

Replacing the fleet with EVs is only part of the equation. Renewables are increasingly part of the grid.

 

[Fygee]

Solar panels have been on my project list for the house for a while. I just can't ever quite pull the trigger. Too busy, mostly.

Replacing the fleet with EVs is only part of the equation. Renewables are increasingly part of the grid.

Agreed.

At least here in Vegas, solar panels are everywhere and you'll rarely find an EV owner without them. I have them myself and they help a lot with countering warm weather power usage, and the bills to go with them. Summer power bills here have gotten insane.

 

[Neo Alec]

I haven't even bothered installing a charger for my wife's Tesla. We're still using the Mobile Connector plugged into a standard wall outlet for over a year now, which is enough energy for us, but isn't as efficient. We even bought the Tesla charger months ago -- It's just sitting and I haven't bothered finding an electrician to install it. It's probably going to be a bitch too because our existing circuit panel is clear on the opposite side of the house.

 

[neo_mao]

@Neo Alec as the owner of both a hybrid and an EV do you feel one is clearly better than the other? I know that's a loaded question and Tesla is very different than Toyota, but still curious as to your thoughts/preferences.

I test drove a Tesla Model 3 not too long ago...and it was fine. I think it’s good value for the money. My biggest gripe was that it just felt the interior was so cold/uninviting. I described it to my wife like being a hospital waiting room. Honestly there was nothing wrong with it and I’m sure many folks actually prefer it….it just didn't seem like the right match for me and my cherubic stylings…so I went in another direction.

Also, although I think the Tesla model 3 and model S look nice, why are so many electric vehicles so ugly? I’d say the number one factor preventing me from getting an electric car is that most of them are just so stupid looking.

 

[wyo]

Top 9 Best Diesel Hybrid Cars of 2025

Our resident experts have pulled together the best diesel hybrid cars on the market today.

www.carwow.co.uk

Don't trust Brits with car advice. Most can't even change the oil.

 

[Moob Butter]

Don't trust Brits with car advice. Most can't even change the oil.

You’re not wrong but it’s a hard skill to learn living in a tenant flat with limited on street parking - which describes a lot of the UK.

McKenzie reporting that 46% of EV owners want to switch back to Petrol/Diesel, mainly due to inadequate infrastructure.

Study Reveals 46% of U.S. EV Owners Consider Returning to ICE

According to research by McKinsey & Co., 46% of American EV owners are contemplating a return to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles for their next purchase. This finding highlights growing concerns about EV infrastructure and ownership costs, challenging the perception of an inevitable...

myelectricsparks.com

 

[Neo Alec]

@neo_mao They're very different. In practical terms, a hybrid is just a gas car that gets better mileage. You're still buying gas and you don't need to charge.

I agree the Tesla interior is weird, and unlike the EV offerings from more mainstream companies, almost no attempt was made to make it control like a normal car. Old people will struggle. It's meant for early adopters who want something new. All the indicators are on one touchscreen, and controls are minimal or on-screen. The lack of coasting when you let off the throttle (even in the most lenient mode) is seriously annoying to me, especially since I need to switch between the conventional-driving RAV4 and the Tesla.

I mentioned before that a long-distance road trip in the Tesla was annoying. Plenty of charge for driving all over the local metro area, but long distance, forget it.

A plug-in hyrbid is the ideal, because you can run it as an EV, but you also have the long distance option. Too bad they still aren't common to come by in most of the US.

 

[wyo]

You’re not wrong but it’s a hard skill to learn living in a tenant flat with limited on street parking - which describes a lot of the UK.

McKenzie reporting that 46% of EV owners want to switch back to Petrol/Diesel, mainly due to inadequate infrastructure.

Study Reveals 46% of U.S. EV Owners Consider Returning to ICE

According to research by McKinsey & Co., 46% of American EV owners are contemplating a return to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles for their next purchase. This finding highlights growing concerns about EV infrastructure and ownership costs, challenging the perception of an inevitable...

myelectricsparks.com

Yeah, fair point.

As for the EV purchase regret, I can believe it.

 

[Neo Alec]

I can't imagine wanting to go back to gas. Never returning to the pump, the quiet, the quick acceleration. The EV part is the one aspect of my wife talking me into the Tesla I don't regret. Electric feels like an upgrade.

We use Ego products for our mower, snowblower, trimmer and edger, so the yard stuff is electric too. (We got our first house in 2018 when the electric stuff was coming into promenance.) The mower works great, is nice and quiet, so it doesn't bother the whole neighborhood like everyone else. I really can't believe how many are still in the dark ages messing with gas.

 

[city41]

In the summer time pretty much 100% of our EV's charging comes from our solar panels. In the dead of winter, maybe more like 30%.

 

[Neo Alec]

You’re not wrong but it’s a hard skill to learn living in a tenant flat with limited on street parking - which describes a lot of the UK.

McKenzie reporting that 46% of EV owners want to switch back to Petrol/Diesel, mainly due to inadequate infrastructure.

Study Reveals 46% of U.S. EV Owners Consider Returning to ICE

According to research by McKinsey & Co., 46% of American EV owners are contemplating a return to internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles for their next purchase. This finding highlights growing concerns about EV infrastructure and ownership costs, challenging the perception of an inevitable...

myelectricsparks.com

This feels like bullshit. 46%? Privately funded charging infrastructure is already everywhere. Who is stupid enough to go on a trip and not know where to charge or how to find it on time? Most people simply charge at home.

It's like I've said, the powers that be have seen how quickly EV acceptance has changed, and are doing their best to slow it down. Half the country will already never consider ditching gas anyway, it's very easy to play to peoples' fears.

Here's an article showing the bias of that survey's source, Automotive News:

Automotive News shows its bias in 2020 presidential coverage - Indie Auto

Automotive News shows its bias in 2020 presidential coverage - Media Analysis Indie Auto

www.indieauto.org

 

[wyo]

There's a simultaneous conspiracy to force EVs on us and stop EV proliferation!

 

[Neo Alec]

There's a simultaneous conspiracy to force EVs on us and stop EV proliferation!

It's true. That's the world we live in -- Propaganda everywhere. It's never one-sided. We have to make our own decisions, and that's probably expecting too much from the average consumer.

 

[Fygee]

I haven't even bothered installing a charger for my wife's Tesla. We're still using the Mobile Connector plugged into a standard wall outlet for over a year now, which is enough energy for us, but isn't as efficient. We even bought the Tesla charger months ago -- It's just sitting and I haven't bothered finding an electrician to install it. It's probably going to be a bitch too because our existing circuit panel is clear on the opposite side of the house.

I had that exact same problem. Had to have an electrician run conduit from the panel to a 220v outlet in the garage. Cost me $900.

Worth it since I drive a whole lot for my job, but still a pain.

When you do pull the trigger, shop around and get different quotes and installation plans. I had some that wanted to charge me double to run it across the freaking roof, which was completely unnecessary.

 

[Neo Alec]

I had that exact same problem. Had to have an electrician run conduit from the panel to a 220v outlet in the garage. Cost me $900.

Worth it since I drive a whole lot for my job, but still a pain.

When you do pull the trigger, shop around and get different quotes and installation plans. I had some that wanted to charge me double to run it across the freaking roof, which was completely unnecessary.

Did you end up running around the foundation?

 

[Azra113]

im doing my part by wasting litres of waters

 

[wataru330]

I haven't even bothered installing a charger for my wife's Tesla. We're still using the Mobile Connector plugged into a standard wall outlet for over a year now, which is enough energy for us, but isn't as efficient. We even bought the Tesla charger months ago -- It's just sitting and I haven't bothered finding an electrician to install it. It's probably going to be a bitch too because our existing circuit panel is clear on the opposite side of the house.

ChargePoint was a great solution for us. There are hard-wired, and plug-in options.

*there is also Option ‘C’…install a Type2 outdoor outlet, and mount your plug-in ChargePoint to the house/post. There are pics and descriptions of how I did this in the Car thread.

There are Tesla and non/Tesla cables available.

 

[prof]

Just saw this in the news today, this football player's garage went up in flames when his Tesla charger malfunctioned. His family was able to get out safely, fortunately. They didn't provide any details about what exactly went wrong though.

Randall Cobb and his family 'lucky to be alive' following fire in veteran WR's Nashville home

The blaze started in Cobb's garage

www.cbssports.com

 

[Gentlegamer]

I drive a 1967 Cadillac El Dorado convertable, hot pink, with whale-skin hub caps, and all leather cow interior, with big baby brown seal eyes for headlights

 

[Ralfakick]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2024/06/25/climate-aerosols-shipping-global-cooling/

 

[Fygee]

Did you end up running around the foundation?

Yup, though slightly above it. I can take some pics if you want to get an idea of how it's ran.

 

[Fygee]

ChargePoint was a great solution for us. There are hard-wired, and plug-in options.

*there is also Option ‘C’…install a Type2 outdoor outlet, and mount your plug-in ChargePoint to the house/post. There are pics and descriptions of how I did this in the Car thread.

There are Tesla and non/Tesla cables available.

Still gonna need conduit ran to the garage from the panel, whether it's indoor or outdoor. And for lucky folks like us where the panel is on the opposite side of the home where your garage is, that's our only option outside of getting an absurdly long extension cable for the car plug-in.