Tonight’s debate

[everyone]

I'm sick of hearing about the Biden/Trump debate in the media.

 

[BeefJerky]

Hey guys! Joe watched a Youtube video!

 

[kernow]

Haven't kept up with this thread but that debate was embarrassing. Dementia ftw

 

[SML]

For now I’ll believe people are that dumb. I mean, you’ve talked to other humans? I know I have and sometimes it’s pretty grim.

It’s a miracle we haven’t destroyed ourselves.

Pris summed it up pretty well. We're stupid and we'll die.

 

[GohanX]

Try finding someone who cheers for revolution, in whatever form, who isn't perfectly comfortable with this being part of the process.

Millions of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

 

[Taiso]

This is one of the reasons Chinese are fine with their one party state. Throughout their history every revolution has brought chaos and bloodshed. At this point, better to stay with the Devil you know than the one you don't.

Actual freedom manifested in any temporal place is dangerous.

 

[LoneSage]

Actual freedom manifested in any temporal place is dangerous.

I've been trolling hard on the Chinternet with, "Birds who have lived in a cage their whole lives think flying is a sickness."

 

[Taiso]

I've been trolling hard on the Chinternet with, "Birds who have lived in a cage their whole lives think flying is a sickness."

I can't stop laughing at 'Chinternet'.

 

[basic]

But none of this is because of ineptitude. That mindset just makes you chase the carrot of thinking voting will bring about the change you desire. Social and predictive engineering to keep us where they want us. Our federal government won't even figure out healthcare or the rising costs of living, even though they easily could.

None of this is an accident.

whoa whoa whoa...let's not jump to conclusions. sometimes occam's razor does apply.

 

[basic]

"you've got to crack a few eggs to make an omelette"

Which means

I think I'll be alright, fuck everyone else

still, I think, an omelette that is likely to be based on forced altruism while still having social stratification inherent to having a governing body to enforce a system...is a far dumber omelette to make than one that tries to reign in inherent selfishness in people.

these are powerful omelettes.

 

[basic]

I've been trolling hard on the Chinternet with, "Birds who have lived in a cage their whole lives think flying is a sickness."

I thought mao had all the birds eliminated with his big brained idea?

 

[SouthtownKid]

I thought mao had all the birds eliminated with his big brained idea?

Mao's kill count estimates vary between 40 and 80 million of his own citizens. Even at the lowest possible number, he's so far ahead of any other despot it's ridiculous.

 

[Neo Alec]

There are serious flaws in capitalism that become more pronounced over time. It's okay to wonder if there's some better system beyond capitalism. What's not okay is thinking that system might be communism. Communism has failed spectacularly every single time it's been tried, most often including mass murder and starvation of the communist country's own citizens numbering in the millions.

I just don't want to hear it fron Bernie Sanders.

In a book.

Sold at Barnes & Noble and Amazon.

Just to be clear on this, not that it matters here (and I don't think STK was saying Sanders advocates communism), Sanders current economic positions aren't anti-capitalist. In the early 70's he was a member of the Liberty Union Party, which was officially anti-capitalist, but in his recent runs for president he has been clear that he doesn't want to do away with capitalism. He advocates for what he calls "democratic socialism," which is about creating "an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy." Basically he wants Capitalism with guardrails.

It's perhaps far-left by mainstream political standards, but not an 'out there' position by any means. I don't see how writing and selling a book is hypocrisy at all, as Taiso seems to be suggesting.

Political positions of Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Skokage]

It's perhaps far-left by mainstream political standards, but not an 'out there' position by any means. I don't see how writing and selling a book is hypocrisy at all, as Taiso seems to be suggesting.

Political positions of Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

By modern american standards it's considered far-left, mainly because Reagan pushed the entire spectrum so far to the right the only way Clinton was able to get elected was by adopting neo-liberal economic policies, which made the political spectrum a center-left party and a party that moves further to the right every decade. Advocate that the gays can get married and maybe people shouldn't starve in the streets or live paycheck to paycheck and you are some liberal commie, meanwhile western europe is looking at what we call the left thinking "lolwut?".

 

[Neo Alec]

By modern american standards it's considered far-left, mainly because Reagan pushed the entire spectrum so far to the right the only way Clinton was able to get elected was by adopting neo-liberal economic policies, which made the political spectrum a center-left party and a party that moves further to the right every decade. Advocate that the gays can get married and maybe people shouldn't starve in the streets or live paycheck to paycheck and you are some liberal commie, meanwhile western europe is looking at what we call the left thinking "lolwut?".

Yeah, Democrats have long been a centrist party. Whoever the Democrats end up running this year, it's going to be a choice between plain vanilla and dangerous authoritarian extremism on the other side.

 

[basic]

Just to be clear on this, not that it matters here (and I don't think STK was saying Sanders advocates communism), Sanders current economic positions aren't anti-capitalist. In the early 70's he was a member of the Liberty Union Party, which was officially anti-capitalist, but in his recent runs for president he has been clear that he doesn't want to do away with capitalism. He advocates for what he calls "democratic socialism," which is about creating "an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy." Basically he wants Capitalism with guardrails.

It's perhaps far-left by mainstream political standards, but not an 'out there' position by any means. I don't see how writing and selling a book is hypocrisy at all, as Taiso seems to be suggesting.

Political positions of Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I think it's arguable that the system we have right now IS capitalism with guardrails. the core problem lies with loopholes, cronyism, and various unchecked conflicts of interest that aren't supposed to happen if the people in charge weren't so crooked. we're not running some dipshit, unbridled ayn rand type capitalism.

 

[Neo Alec]

I think it's arguable that the system we have right now IS capitalism with guardrails. the core problem lies with loopholes, cronyism, and various unchecked conflicts of interest that aren't supposed to happen if the people in charge weren't so crooked. we're not running some dipshit, unbridled ayn rand type capitalism.

For sure it already is capitalism with some safety valves in place. He wanted more guardrails. We already have socialism for our fire and police services too.

 

[prof]

I've been trolling hard on the Chinternet with, "Birds who have lived in a cage their whole lives think flying is a sickness."

Sage be trolling the choobs.
(Chinese goobs)

 

[Neo Alec]

I've been trolling hard on the Chinternet with, "Birds who have lived in a cage their whole lives think flying is a sickness."

Stay safe over there, 'Sage.

 

[Taiso]

whoa whoa whoa...let's not jump to conclusions. sometimes occam's razor does apply.

Not in this case.

And I'm not moving off of my position on Sanders. Sorry, fam.

I DO agree with STK that we can discuss other forms of economic systems. Capitalism isn't great but charity compelled by the state isn't charity at all.

 

[SML]

people who are still at the point where they think Biden has some sort of cognitive capacity are already lost. they are happy to put in charge the puppeteers who control him now because TDS has gripped them to such a degree they think that they are on the right side of history. whatever.

If you think this isn't by design, if you think that they aren't aware of what is happening, then you are taking the bait.

There is no way this isn't in service to some greater scheme. What that endgame is...I have no idea. There are a lot of conspiracy theories but who can say which, if any of them, are true?

But none of this is because of ineptitude. That mindset just makes you chase the carrot of thinking voting will bring about the change you desire. Social and predictive engineering to keep us where they want us. Our federal government won't even figure out healthcare or the rising costs of living, even though they easily could.

None of this is an accident.

whoa whoa whoa...let's not jump to conclusions. sometimes occam's razor does apply.

Area man sees devil winking at him.

 

[basic]

Not in this case.

And I'm not moving off of my position on Sanders. Sorry, fam.

I DO agree with STK that we can discuss other forms of economic systems. Capitalism isn't great but charity compelled by the state isn't charity at all.

advancements in medical technology have allowed people that should've been rightfully darwin'd to survive makes me think stupidity plays a large part in everything

 

[Taiso]

Area man sees devil winking at him.

Oh

My Blood

 

[Taiso]

advancements in medical technology has allowed people that should've been rightfully darwin'd to survive makes me think stupidity plays a large part in everything

Are you implying that the health insurance industry isn't a scam designed to bilk us out of our money but actual scientific idiocy?

 

[basic]

Area man sees devil winking at him.

not sure what you are saying, but the first post you quoted was more as a reference to those within the Biden camp being the ones to make decisions...since I view him, at this point, as mentally unviable. I'm not talking to a larger illuminati type of conspiracy.