U.S. Embassy attacks in North Africa and the Midle East

NeoTheranthrope

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For those keeping score there have been attacks on U.S. embassies and diplomatic staff in: Egypt, Libya, and Yemen, which all look to have been deliberately planned to coincide with the anniversary of 9/11.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/protesters_storm_us_embassy_in_sanaa_hCR9oqBNnl5xYNW92lbSXI?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=International

The attackers seem to have inside information, as to the location of things like safehouses, because one farm designated as a safehouse was attacked in Libya after the attack on the embassy compound.

I was hoping against this, but it looks like the Muslim Brotherhood is making is move against the "great satan" of America after the Arab Spring. This is very troubling.
 
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Neo Alec

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This sucks but it will suck more if these incidents are used as justification to declare war on another phantom enemy.
 

NeoTheranthrope

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This sucks but it will suck more if these incidents are used as justification to declare war on another phantom enemy.

The the fact that the attacks happed at all, is in itself, could be construed as an act of war by the host countries.

Also, I want to clarify something; the order to engage in military-action (from no-fly zones, all the way to invasion and occupation) on the government(s) of oil-bearing Arab countries is only legitimate when it's issued by a Republican President? Am I getting this right?
 

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THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOOD ©
 

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This sucks but it will suck more if these incidents are used as justification to declare war on another phantom enemy.

If the enemy actually exists, how is it a "phantom enemy"?
 

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You can thank that jackass in Florida who caused a similar brouhaha when he wanted to burn the Koran, now he and like-minded morons decided to stoke the issues even further by making the movie that's pissing people off. Whatever, free speech, but these idiots are just intentionally instigating shit in places they don't have to deal with and it's having unfortunate results. 4chan wishes they trolled that hard.


Meanwhile, this counter demonstration in Libya offers a misspelling that would make an awesome name for a hip-hop group:

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evil wasabi

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For those keeping score there have been attacks on U.S. embassies and diplomatic staff in: Egypt, Libya, and Yemen, which all look to have been deliberately planned to coincide with the anniversary of 9/11.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/protesters_storm_us_embassy_in_sanaa_hCR9oqBNnl5xYNW92lbSXI?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=International

The attackers seem to have inside information, as to the location of things like safehouses, because one farm designated as a safehouse was attacked in Libya after the attack on the embassy compound.

I was hoping against this, but it looks like the Muslim Brotherhood is making is move against the "great satan" of America after the Arab Spring. This is very troubling.

Watching Strike Back makes me think that it's not that hard to track people to safehouses, once you know who to follow.
 

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You can thank that jackass in Florida who caused a similar brouhaha when he wanted to burn the Koran, now he and like-minded morons decided to stoke the issues even further by making the movie that's pissing people off. Whatever, free speech, but these idiots are just intentionally instigating shit in places they don't have to deal with and it's having unfortunate results. 4chan wishes they trolled that hard.

Some of the things I have read, have said that the video was just a useful tool for whichever group was behind the attack. If it was not that, they would have found something else to stir up "moral outrage" against the US.
 

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Watching Strike Back makes me think that it's not that hard to track people to safehouses, once you know who to follow.

ahaha Strike Back is awesome.

We all wish we got laid as often as Damien Scott.
 

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This story is getting weirder -- several reporters from various media outlet had time to study the purported 14 minutes, and discovered that repurposed video with offensive lines dubbed over --badly, a la old Godzilla movies-- along with pseudonyms and phantom individuals all indicate: WTF?

Christian Science Monitor said:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0912/There-may-be-no-anti-Islamic-movie-at-all

There may be no anti-Islamic movie at all

Some interesting and convincing points are made.

By Dan Murphy, Staff writer / September 12, 2012

Nasser Nasser/AP

The online 14-minute clip of a purportedly anti-Islamic movie that sparked protests at the US embassy in Cairo and and the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya is now looking like it could have been ginned up by someone sitting a basement with cheap dubbing software.

Full credit goes to Sarah Abdurrahman at On the Media and Rosie Grey at Buzzfed who appear to be the first to highlight (there may be others, but they're the ones who caught my eye) the fact that almost every instance of language referring to Islam or Muhammad in the film has been dubbed in. That is, mouths are mouthing but the words you're hearing don't match.

There have already been a bunch of lies associated with the alleged film. A man named "Sam Bacile" was identified as being the writer and producer. He claimed to be an Israeli citizen. The Israelis say they have no record of him. He claimed to have spent $5 million on the movie. The clip online doesn't look like even $100,000 was spent. There is no record of a "Sam Bacile" living in California, and his strange insistence on the fact that he was Jewish and that he had exclusively Jewish funders for his film in an interview with the Associated Press now looks like something of a red flag.

The one verifiable person involved in this strange tale so far is Steve Klein, an evangelical Christian and anti-Islamic activist with ties to militia groups and a Coptic Christian satellite TV station based in California. Klein told Jeffrey Goldberg at The Atlantic earlier today that he was a consultant on the film, that "Sam Bacile," was a pseudonym, that the person behind the name probably isn't Jewish, and he didn't know the real name of the man. He doesn't know the name of someone he worked on a movie with? Yet another strange, credulity-stretching claim.

Now comes the part with the compelling case of no movie at all.

Abdurrahman writes:

If you watch closely, you can see that when the actors are reading parts of the script that do not contain Islam-specific language, the audio from the sound stage is used (the audio that was recorded as the actors were simultaneously being filmed). But anytime the actors are referring to something specific to the religion (the Prophet Muhammed, the Quran, etc.) the audio recorded during filming is replaced with a poorly executed post-production dub. And if you look EVEN closer, you can see that the actors’ mouths are saying something other than what the dub is saying.

For example, at 2:53, the voiceover says “His name is Muhammed. And we can call him The Father Unknown.” In this case, the whole line is dubbed, and it appears the actor is actually saying, “His name is George (?). And we can call him The Father Unknown.” I assume the filmmakers thought they were being slick, thinking that dubbing the whole line instead of just the name would make it more seamless and less noticeable to the viewer. But once you start to look for these dubs, it’s hard to see anything else.

And Grey writes:

As the video above — cut from the YouTube video tied to a global controversy — shows, nearly all of the names in the movie's "trailer" — is a compilation of the most clumsily overdubbed moments from what is in reality an incoherent, haphazardly-edited set of scenes. Among the overdubbed words is "Mohammed," suggesting that the footage was taken from a film about something else entirely. The footage also suggests multiple video sources — there are obvious and jarring discrepancies among actors and locations... whoever made (it) may well have made use of little more than the standard editing software Final Cut Pro — far from a cast and crew of over 100 and millions of dollars.

Both make very, very convincing points (read their full posts) and if you watch the footage carefully, it's hard to escape their conclusions. In one scene a man is apparently teaching his daughter about the evils of Islam and writes on a blackboard that "Man + X = BT" as he explains to her that "Man + X = Islamic terrorist." Then he writes the equation in reverse, again intoning "Islamic terrorist" as he writes "BT."

If suspicions are right, the low-quality footage has been re-purposed from somewhere, and you'd expect someone to come forward and explain soon (since a lot of actors are involved).

What's really going on here? I have no idea.

(As I finished this post, I came across an interview with an actress who appears in some of the footage given to Gawker. It goes a long way to clearing up some of the mystery, though not entirely.

Cindy Lee Garcia tells the website that she was hired last summer for a small part in a movie she was told would be called "Desert Warriors," about life in Egypt 2,000 years ago (Islam is about 1,400 years old).

She told Gawker "It wasn't based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn't anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything and that, according to Gawker, "In the script and during the shooting, nothing indicated the controversial nature of the final product. Muhammed wasn't even called Muhammed; he was "Master George," Garcia said. The words Muhammed were dubbed over in post-production, as were essentially all other offensive references to Islam and Muhammed. Garcia said that there was a man who identified as "Bacile" on set, but that he was Egyptian and frequently spoke Arabic.)
 

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recently heard an interview with a radical leader who succinctly described his ideology: "our people enjoy death as others enjoy life"
 
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evil wasabi

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ahaha Strike Back is awesome.

We all wish we got laid as often as Damien Scott.

Dude, if you were a known British Intelligence agent, the hottest Mossad agent would just come up to you a bar and take you to her hotel to fuck, for no good reason, even if your sidekick has the better body.

"yo, is that your boyfriend?"
"no he's not gay. just british."
 

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Yet another reason why America needs to stop fucking around in other countries and focus on helping it's own people.

Why are we using tax dollars on the military and foreign affairs? What about the poor, struggling people/families in this country? The homeless?

This government needs to get it's priorities straight.
 

hyper

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send in the drones
from cnn

The investigation and quest for justice

The United States is deploying warships and surveillance drones in its hunt for the killers of the four U.S. diplomatic staffers, and a contingent of 50 Marines has arrived to boost the security of Americans in the country. The drones are expected to gather intelligence that will be turned over to Libyan officials for strikes, the official said.

Two American destroyers are en route to the Libyan coast, U.S. officials told CNN. Both the USS Laboon and USS McFaul are equipped with satellite-guided Tomahawk cruise missiles that can be programmed to hit specific targets. The move "will give the administration flexibility" in case it opts to take action against targets inside Libya, one senior official said. As of late Wednesday, the McFaul was making a port call on the Mediterranean island of Crete, while the Laboon was outside Gibraltar, a few days away from Libya.

motivation

Suspects arrested for alleged involvement in Libyan consulate attack

[Updated at 2:47 p.m. ET]Libyan Deputy Minister of Interior said in a statement to the country's state-run news agency..

"Some individuals suspected of involvement in the attack on the American Embassy in the city of Benghazi that resulted in the killing of the American Ambassador and three of his companions have been arrested," Wanis Al-Sharif
 

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Yet another reason why America needs to stop fucking around in other countries and focus on helping it's own people.

Why are we using tax dollars on the military and foreign affairs? What about the poor, struggling people/families in this country? The homeless?

This government needs to get it's priorities straight.

Somewhere there's capital gain to be had through all this. That is the only important thing to governments like this, why bother helping the poor? that's a long term commitment with no short term gain.
 

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For those keeping score there have been attacks on U.S. embassies and diplomatic staff in: Egypt, Libya, and Yemen, which all look to have been deliberately planned to coincide with the anniversary of 9/11.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/11/world/meast/egpyt-us-embassy-protests/index.html

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/protesters_storm_us_embassy_in_sanaa_hCR9oqBNnl5xYNW92lbSXI?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=International

The attackers seem to have inside information, as to the location of things like safehouses, because one farm designated as a safehouse was attacked in Libya after the attack on the embassy compound.

I was hoping against this, but it looks like the Muslim Brotherhood is making is move against the "great satan" of America after the Arab Spring. This is very troubling.

The Libyan safe house was hit with accurate mortar fire according to a report from Reuters. That's not something a mob protesting some stupid-ass internet video has the capability to even consider doing.
 

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Somewhere there's capital gain to be had through all this. That is the only important thing to governments like this, why bother helping the poor? that's a long term commitment with no short term gain.


Ghaddafi did whatever the fuck he wanted for over 5 decades...

Attempting to implement African self determination through various means was the ONE thing that forced Americas hand and got him killed ASAP.

America "liberated" Libya to plunder its oil, gold, money, and natural resources.

It's about oil and Libyas refineries. Refineries that would take oil that passes through SYRIA, IRAQ, IRAN, and it would come from the Caspian Basin.

Coincidentally, those are the only countries America has any interest in neutralizing right now.


Anybody who thinks this is about muslim bashing troll videos on youtube is a fucking dolt and an empty headed newsbot cunt and nobody should care what he/she says/thinks.
 
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Lagduf

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Blame the attacks on the muslim brotherhood and then blow them away with drones to reestablish American hegemony in the middle east with parliaments backed by MPs friendly to the US?

But uh, conspiracy theorizing aside the news coming out about these attacks have been...interesting to say the least.
 

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Lame.
I lived in Egypt around 91 or so for 2 years.
My dad worked with the Embassy back then.
The people there are wonderful and it's a real shame
to see what's happening.
 

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Why are those camel jockey's always so angur?
explain pls
 
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