Why haven't any of you doll fuckers started a Game of Thrones topic?

[evil wasabi]

What if Arya got her face burned off in the siege of KL

Think about it.

 

[F4U57]

Seems like there is enough interest in this show to warrant further discussion from a number of us but we'll be sure to join you in whatever threads you're active in soon enough.

This would suggest active threads.

Heh, good one...

 

[NeoSneth]

The show’s over lads. Enough’s enough. Move along.

3 spinoffs.
your nightmare isn't over yet. it's about to get worse.

 

[HDRchampion]

3 spinoffs.
your nightmare isn't over yet. it's about to get worse.

Actually i heard its 5 now!

I wonder if they are going to do Arya the Explorer, seem setup that way. Maybe a 1 season series.

 

[F4U57]

I will watch all of them and hate myself.

 

[LoneSage]

Actually i heard its 5 now!

I wonder if they are going to do Arya the Explorer, seem setup that way. Maybe a 1 season series.

Yeah, just like James Cameron's Avatar will have three sequels.

From a business perspective, HBO fucked up. D&D took them for a ride and the fans are pissed. A huge proportion of the fanbase is probably over seeing the fanfiction on TV.

They'll probably be as successful as the Joey spinoff from Friends.

I loved the character of Arya from seasons 1 to 6. But I would not care to watch a show with who she is now.

 

[Lets Gekiga In]

3 spinoffs.
your nightmare isn't over yet. it's about to get worse.

I thought there were three ideas, but only one was going to come out, I guess things changed again.

 

[Taiso]

Actually i heard its 5 now!

I wonder if they are going to do Arya the Explorer, seem setup that way. Maybe a 1 season series.

HBO has given a tentative nod to three of the proposed 5 spinoffs. No one knows what two of them are about, but the one they're shooting a pilot for right now is code named 'Bloodmoon'. This is also the series that George R.R. Martin was calling 'The Long Night' until HBO told him to specifically stop using that term to describe the show.

At this point, the only thing that is being done is the pilot. Nothing else has been greenlit yet and until that happens, let's not hastily assume they're moving forward with anything just yet. If the Bloodmoon pilot isn't good and it doesn't get greenlit, we could be waiting a lot longer to see any more live action stuff based on GoT.

As for any 'Further Adventures of Arya Stark', you can forget that noise. HBO's director of programming has already stated that they have no intentions to do any such thing. They have already said that they are not interested in moving forward with a series about characters that they had no hand in creating.

This isn't just respecting the creator's boundaries. HBO would probably rather just have more input into the creative direction of what comes next, rather than having to rely on an outside source for the blueprint. Even if they are as talented and smart about writing as GRRM.

Regarding the truncated last two seasons:

In an interview, HBO's programming director said that D&D had chosen to finish this up in 13 episodes right before they started writing for season 7. This predates their involvement with Star Wars or any other projects, although I'd imagine that other studios were sending out feelers but they couldn't respond due to their obligations with HBO. It's entirely possible they wanted to be done so they could move on to other things but, contrary to popular belief, Star Wars was never a factor in the rushed finale because there is no official confirmation that they were working with Lucasfilm around the time they were mapping out Seasons 7 and 8.

One interesting theory I'd heard was that, in addition to them wanting to move on, DnD were afraid that the series would wear out its welcome if they kept going. Maybe they saw what was happening to The Walking Dead, the other big genre show of this cycle ,and didn't want GoT to go out with a whimper.

And there's something to that.

I'd rather see people dissecting this series' finale for years, continuing to discuss the show as a whole and having some kind of feeling, either positive or negative, as opposed to the entropy that reduced The Walking Dead to utter irrelevance.

 

[evil wasabi]

HBO has given a tentative nod to three of the proposed 5 spinoffs. No one knows what two of them are about, but the one they're shooting a pilot for right now is code named 'Bloodmoon'. This is also the series that George R.R. Martin was calling 'The Long Night' until HBO told him to specifically stop using that term to describe the show.

At this point, the only thing that is being done is the pilot. Nothing else has been greenlit yet and until that happens, let's not hastily assume they're moving forward with anything just yet. If the Bloodmoon pilot isn't good and it doesn't get greenlit, we could be waiting a lot longer to see any more live action stuff based on GoT.

As for any 'Further Adventures of Arya Stark', you can forget that noise. HBO's director of programming has already stated that they have no intentions to do any such thing. They have already said that they are not interested in moving forward with a series about characters that they had no hand in creating.

This isn't just respecting the creator's boundaries. HBO would probably rather just have more input into the creative direction of what comes next, rather than having to rely on an outside source for the blueprint. Even if they are as talented and smart about writing as GRRM.

Regarding the truncated last two seasons:

In an interview, HBO's programming director said that D&D had chosen to finish this up in 13 episodes right before they started writing for season 7. This predates their involvement with Star Wars or any other projects, although I'd imagine that other studios were sending out feelers but they couldn't respond due to their obligations with HBO. It's entirely possible they wanted to be done so they could move on to other things but, contrary to popular belief, Star Wars was never a factor in the rushed finale because there is no official confirmation that they were working with Lucasfilm around the time they were mapping out Seasons 7 and 8.

One interesting theory I'd heard was that, in addition to them wanting to move on, DnD were afraid that the series would wear out its welcome if they kept going. Maybe they saw what was happening to The Walking Dead, the other big genre show of this cycle ,and didn't want GoT to go out with a whimper.

And there's something to that.

I'd rather see people dissecting this series' finale for years, continuing to discuss the show as a whole and having some kind of feeling, either positive or negative, as opposed to the entropy that reduced The Walking Dead to utter irrelevance.

What was the point of Arya being a faceless person if she only used it to become an old Walder Frey anyways? You can become anyone - like a beautiful blond with awesome tits and an ass that moves the alignment of stars at will, or a dude with golden dick, but instead you choose to be an old man with a bad back and scurvy?

I don't think there is a point for DnDoT to have an adventures of Arya because her character was such a colossal failure of writing. It was the equivalent of showrunners arguing whether or not Idris Elba could play Bond, and one of them attempting a debatably failed deathstroke by giving Arya Jon's scenes.

One day we should see a movie called The Disaster Artist Part 2, about D&D taking over GoT in the absence of Gurm's literary compass. It will star Adam Sandler as Benioff, and Seth Green as Dan Weiss. Gurm will be played by Idris Elba, because he can play any role. But the story will be about how they fucked up GoT. If you think this won't win every Oscar possible, think again. The movie will be directed by the Wachowski Sisters, who are the most successful female directors in Hollywood, I guess. Don't even try to argue that point unless you want to get blackballed by the community.

 

[wyo]

I'd rather see people dissecting this series' finale for years, continuing to discuss the show as a whole and having some kind of feeling, either positive or negative, as opposed to the entropy that reduced The Walking Dead to utter irrelevance.

Irrelevant it may be but the last season of TWD was superior to GOT.

 

[Lastblade]

Irrelevant it may be but the last season of TWD was superior to GOT.

The irony is strong.

 

[smokehouse]

What was the point of Arya being a faceless person if she only used it to become an old Walder Frey anyways? You can become anyone - like a beautiful blond with awesome tits and an ass that moves the alignment of stars at will, or a dude with golden dick, but instead you choose to be an old man with a bad back and scurvy?

I don't think there is a point for DnDoT to have an adventures of Arya because her character was such a colossal failure of writing. It was the equivalent of showrunners arguing whether or not Idris Elba could play Bond, and one of them attempting a debatably failed deathstroke by giving Arya Jon's scenes.

One day we should see a movie called The Disaster Artist Part 2, about D&D taking over GoT in the absence of Gurm's literary compass. It will star Adam Sandler as Benioff, and Seth Green as Dan Weiss. Gurm will be played by Idris Elba, because he can play any role. But the story will be about how they fucked up GoT. If you think this won't win every Oscar possible, think again. The movie will be directed by the Wachowski Sisters, who are the most successful female directors in Hollywood, I guess. Don't even try to argue that point unless you want to get blackballed by the community.

Arya and Bran's stories were just totally wasted. They were interesting but just went completely limp. All of that work put int Arya and the faceless men...and like you said, for what? in the end, it served next to no purpose what so ever. She just walked off aaand, done. Bran's story was the same way, it really did little in the end. All of that work to get him to where he was and again, nothing. I consider the Night King to be part of that plotline and it too was pointless.

Like we all keep saying, it's just shit storytelling.

 

[evil wasabi]

 

[Taiso]

What was the point of Arya being a faceless person if she only used it to become an old Walder Frey anyways? You can become anyone - like a beautiful blond with awesome tits and an ass that moves the alignment of stars at will, or a dude with golden dick, but instead you choose to be an old man with a bad back and scurvy?

I don't think there is a point for DnDoT to have an adventures of Arya because her character was such a colossal failure of writing. It was the equivalent of showrunners arguing whether or not Idris Elba could play Bond, and one of them attempting a debatably failed deathstroke by giving Arya Jon's scenes.

One day we should see a movie called The Disaster Artist Part 2, about D&D taking over GoT in the absence of Gurm's literary compass. It will star Adam Sandler as Benioff, and Seth Green as Dan Weiss. Gurm will be played by Idris Elba, because he can play any role. But the story will be about how they fucked up GoT. If you think this won't win every Oscar possible, think again. The movie will be directed by the Wachowski Sisters, who are the most successful female directors in Hollywood, I guess. Don't even try to argue that point unless you want to get blackballed by the community.

Arya went from being one of the most interesting characters on GoT to its most embarrassing character, and yes that includes politically castrated Varys, Bizarro Tyrion and even the Sand Snakes, when she pole vault killed the Night's King, Jon Snow's arc and the entire show's momentum all at the same time.

I'd rather watch a 'further adventures' show about the Sand Snakes. If it's going to suck, might as well go whole hog and induce maximum shame.

Kit Harrington recently checked himself into rehab for stress and alcohol and I don't blame him. The show clearly meant a lot to him. His reactions during the table read were the best except for Conleth Hill's utter disgust at discovering his character's fate. I think he would have been fine dying, but not so stupidly. This is a guy that once fled King's Landing when there was a manhunt on for Tyrion Lannister. Not that Varys would ever leave the city. He has a network of spies and the ability to disguise himself and even get into places such as the dungeon where they were holding Ned Stark.

 

[evil wasabi]

Arya went from being one of the most interesting characters on GoT to its most embarrassing character, and yes that includes politically castrated Varys, Bizarro Tyrion and even the Sand Snakes, when she pole vault killed the Night's King, Jon Snow's arc and the entire show's momentum all at the same time.

I'd rather watch a 'further adventures' show about the Sand Snakes. If it's going to suck, might as well go whole hog and induce maximum shame.

Kit Harrington recently checked himself into rehab for stress and alcohol and I don't blame him. The show clearly meant a lot to him. His reactions during the table read were the best except for Conleth Hill's utter disgust at discovering his character's fate. I think he would have been fine dying, but not so stupidly. This is a guy that once fled King's Landing when there was a manhunt on for Tyrion Lannister. Not that Varys would ever leave the city. He has a network of spies and the ability to disguise himself and even get into places such as the dungeon where they were holding Ned Stark.

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Can we do a fanfic for the Adventures of the Sandsnakes?

Bronn of Highgarden is alerted to a survivor in the dungeon. He investigates and finds Ellaria with her decomposing daughter. Bronn then morphs into Varys from the sight of the last woman he kissed on the show. Tyrion then appears and makes a joke about how he once entered a brothel with a jackass and a honey comb, AND STILL NO ONE LAUGHS.

 

[LoneSage]

Kit Harrington recently checked himself into rehab for stress and alcohol and I don't blame him.

That's a pity, a real shame. There were two things that were good about season 8, Djawidi's music and the actors. The actors did the best with what they were given. I think Kit would have loved exploring the King in the North's emotions and making his own choices instead of meekly listening to and following others.

Tyrion then appears and makes a joke about how he once entered a brothel with a jackass and a honey comb, AND STILL NO ONE LAUGHS.

Reminds me of S8E1, when Tyrion repeats his 'die at the age of 80 with a bellyful of wine blah blah'. The first time we heard that way back in season 1, we thought Tyrion was just a witty guy to come up with that on the spot. But when Jaime finished the line with him, apparently Tyrion often repeated a joke about how he would die.

 

[LoneSage]

The more I think of it the more I dislike Tyrion. Again, like Arya, awesome character for the first half of the show, but as Dany's advisor he gave so much shit advice it eventually (along with Jon withholding the D) drove her mad. And what does he do but latch onto the next king, another self-serving jackass who saw how things would wind up and get to be king.

 

[evil wasabi]

One of the spinoffs will be "Tyrion!", a show pretty much about nothing. Tyrion basically hangs out in his castle suite with his best friends by circumstance, Samwell Tarly. Bronn of the Blackwater of Highgarden, the master of coin, and Brienne of Tarth. The pilot will be about how the four of them take a vow of complete celibacy (not touching even!) to see who capitulates first. Hint: it's Brienne! In another episode, Tyrion and Samwell try to get Brienne drunk on milk of the poppy in order to find out why she's acting so weird around Podrick.

If there is anything that David Benioff has taught me, it's to follow my dreams of writing, no matter how terrible my writings are.

 

[Lastblade]

I would watch it if Larry David is behind it.

 

[Taiso]

One of the spinoffs will be "Tyrion!", a show pretty much about nothing. Tyrion basically hangs out in his castle suite with his best friends by circumstance, Samwell Tarly. Bronn of the Blackwater of Highgarden, the master of coin, and Brienne of Tarth. The pilot will be about how the four of them take a vow of complete celibacy (not touching even!) to see who capitulates first. Hint: it's Brienne! In another episode, Tyrion and Samwell try to get Brienne drunk on milk of the poppy in order to find out why she's acting so weird around Podrick.

If there is anything that David Benioff has taught me, it's to follow my dreams of writing, no matter how terrible my writings are.

I think Varys should show up in this sitcom despite being dead. D&D wrote these last three seasons with utter contempt for the source material and the fans of the story in favor of trash tier 'fans' that believe Tormund post-Mance execution is worth even a single mammoth turd as a character.

Maybe throw in Nell Carter, too.

I dreamed about the scene from A Dance With Dragons where Jon gets killed while the giant is freaking out. I thought to myself how epic that scene was. If you ever want to read a good writer depict the events uf order breaking down, you won't find better than Martin during the riots in King's Landing and when the giant is freaking out at the wall right before Jon is murdered (although in the books, it's not confirmed that he'll actually die). instead we got a low budget murder scene under the absolute stupidest circumstances ever.

 

[LoneSage]

How about if Bran was revealed to be 'R'hllor', the Lord of Light. Influencing people around the planet in the past so they could play their part in the present to defeat the White Walkers.

In the end, it's never explained how Beric and Jon got resurrected or who the Lord of Light is. Beric's purpose was to T-pose in a doorway for like 5 seconds I guess.

 

[evil wasabi]

I think Varys should show up in this sitcom despite being dead. D&D wrote these last three seasons with utter contempt for the source material and the fans of the story in favor of trash tier 'fans' that believe Tormund post-Mance execution is worth even a single mammoth turd as a character.

Maybe throw in Nell Carter, too.

I dreamed about the scene from A Dance With Dragons where Jon gets killed while the giant is freaking out. I thought to myself how epic that scene was. If you ever want to read a good writer depict the events uf order breaking down, you won't find better than Martin during the riots in King's Landing and when the giant is freaking out at the wall right before Jon is murdered (although in the books, it's not confirmed that he'll actually die). instead we got a low budget murder scene under the absolute stupidest circumstances ever.

The craft of writing compared between GRRM and SK is neat. I think about their video conversation a lot. I believe that SK gets it right, that writing is a full time gig, and that you need to write every day, even for a little bit. And because SK treats it like that, he can crank out 6 pages in 6 hours. Within 2 months he has a new manuscript. If you don't approach it like that, writing can be a daunting task. And I believe that is exactly GRRM's problem in writing. For him, discipline, or the lack thereof, is his enemy, and makes it hard for him to produce the stories that he wants to produce.

He does construct scenes really well, and his stories make sense. But I don't give him a complete pass because FFC was crap. I think I hate everything about that book.

 

[Taiso]

Overanalyzing TV version R'hlor is a waste of time, honestly.

In the books, the truth will be known and it will (probably) be good.

In the TV show, maybe R'hlor possessed Arya's body so she could avoid her wound getting infected after rolling into medieval era city water long enough to then have a dramatic city chase sequence where that wound, a few days later, only hurts her when drama requires it to affect her.

 

[Taiso]

The craft of writing compared between GRRM and SK is neat. I think about their video conversation a lot. I believe that SK gets it right, that writing is a full time gig, and that you need to write every day, even for a little bit. And because SK treats it like that, he can crank out 6 pages in 6 hours. Within 2 months he has a new manuscript. If you don't approach it like that, writing can be a daunting task. And I believe that is exactly GRRM's problem in writing. For him, discipline, or the lack thereof, is his enemy, and makes it hard for him to produce the stories that he wants to produce.

He does construct scenes really well, and his stories make sense. But I don't give him a complete pass because FFC was crap. I think I hate everything about that book.

The 'broken men' passage in A Feast For Crows was one of the best passages in the entire series.

I liked the book just fine. I think the things that happen in it are pretty cool and very interesting.

The problem is that it's the wrong time to be introducing all these new elements, and I think Martin's real problem as a writer is his affection for worldbuilding. It's obvious that he is very much into the history of his world. Look at all the fictional history stuff he's done. It's all fascinating, it's all very compelling and it all follows the rules of political realism he already established for ASoIF.

But then I read the Dunk and Egg stories, which are basically chivalric tales with political realism in them, and I marvel at how simple and clean those adventures are. Dunk has his moment in each of them, but none of them come easy and they feel earned. But notice how in those, other characters come in and play their roles but Dunk still gets to make big impacts on the events. They begin, they progress and they finish. I'd almost swear these were initially a pitch for a TV show long before Game of Thrones ever filmed a pilot.

I think that HBO could do great with a Dunk and Egg series. The three stories that exist could each be their own series, in fact. They feel epic without being epics.

In the end, Martin was right. ASoIF can't be adapted into a TV series. Human nature will always get in the way.

 

[LoneSage]

But I don't give him a complete pass because FFC was crap. I think I hate everything about that book.

"No chance, and no choice."

One of the best sentences in the series.

I'm currently re-reading it for the third time and agree with you though.