New Star Wars stuff announced

[HornheaDD]

2 second cameos for Darth Plagueis and and Yoda in the Acolyte finale.

What a shitshow.

No joke - I was coming here to post something remarkably similar to what you typed.

The only "good" episode of this show was that last one because it finally DID something instead of Sol having that same "whaaa???" look on his face the entire time. And even then it was only the "hey is that Plagueis?" scene that really drew my attention.

The only characters that were remotely interesting were the witches that were murdered because Sol was a fucking idiot, as were the other Jedi with him when they literally massacred the coven lol.

Trash.

 

[HornheaDD]

aren't cameos good?

In general, sure? But these seem like they were literally put in 10 minutes before the final take just to make people taste the memberberries. These were terribly forced.

Ahsoka had problems with pacing, yes. But at least it expanded on the Night Sisters. But these cameos were as anticlimactic as seeing Thrawn in live action. Don't get me wrong, I love the character and was amped when they announced that the voice of Thrawn from Rebels was going to play him but it sorta fell flat.

 

[Fygee]

Now that the whole thing is aired, my opinion of The Acolyte is mixed. The writing kept going between good and bad, they story kept going between good and bad, and the really short runtime for the episodes hurt the pacing a lot.

Really didn't care for the season finale. The lightsaber duel was great, but everything else about it just felt so forced, contrived, and "fan ficcy". Characters seemed to throw their brains right out the window in order to force certain plot points to occur.

Also, apparently the Force can straight up wipe your whole ass memory now to a specific point, instead of the usual "jedi mind trick". That's both incredibly OP and stupid, and I guarantee you it won't be used again.

 

[SouthtownKid]

This thread still going on is textbook battered wife syndrome. How long are you guys going to put yourself through this? You don't have to call the cops, but stop making excuses for Lucasfilm and stop pretending it's going to get better. Just pack your shit and leave.

 

[Fygee]

This thread still going on is textbook battered wife syndrome. How long are you guys going to put yourself through this? You don't have to call the cops, but stop making excuses for Lucasfilm and stop pretending it's going to get better. Just pack your shit and leave.

Speaking just for myself, but I've enjoyed most of the newer Star Wars content. Mando, Andor, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka have all been great IMO. Andor and S1 and 2 of Mando especially.

 

[famicommander]

Speaking just for myself, but I've enjoyed most of the newer Star Wars content. Mando, Andor, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka have all been great IMO. Andor and S1 and 2 of Mando especially.

It doesn't matter how much good stuff gets put out, they'll ignore it and focus on Acolyte, Mando S3, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett, and the movies.

Even though Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Tales of, and Andor are all fantastic. I wouldn't call Ahsoka great but it's good or at least coherent if you've actually seen Clone Wars and Rebels. Acolyte, Obi-Wan, and Boba Fett are unsalvageable across the board.

 

[Average Joe]

 

[HornheaDD]

It doesn't matter how much good stuff gets put out, they'll ignore it and focus on Acolyte, Mando S3, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett, and the movies.

Even though Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Tales of, and Andor are all fantastic. I wouldn't call Ahsoka great but it's good or at least coherent if you've actually seen Clone Wars and Rebels. Acolyte, Obi-Wan, and Boba Fett are unsalvageable across the board.

 

[Fygee]

It doesn't matter how much good stuff gets put out, they'll ignore it and focus on Acolyte, Mando S3, Obi-Wan, Boba Fett, and the movies.

Even though Clone Wars, Rebels, Bad Batch, Tales of, and Andor are all fantastic. I wouldn't call Ahsoka great but it's good or at least coherent if you've actually seen Clone Wars and Rebels. Acolyte, Obi-Wan, and Boba Fett are unsalvageable across the board.

Mostly agree. Even those "unsalvageable" shows had some great moments in them that were very enjoyable. Unfortunately everyone judges series' in their entirety as just "great" or "trash" anymore.

I also really liked Obi-Wan. It had some head scratching moments of stupidity, especially that escape scene with the big jacket, but overall was a great watch IMO.

Also loved the first two new movies. Rise of Skywalker is arguably the worst of all the new Star Wars content though. That's truly an unsalvageable trash fire.

 

[famicommander]

Mostly agree. Even those "unsalvageable" shows had some great moments in them that were very enjoyable. Unfortunately everyone judges series' in their entirety as just "great" or "trash" anymore.

I also really liked Obi-Wan. It had some head scratching moments of stupidity, especially that escape scene with the big jacket, but overall was a great watch IMO.

Also loved the first two new movies. Rise of Skywalker is arguably the worst of all the new Star Wars content though. That's truly an unsalvageable trash fire.

I can't back most of this.

Obi-Wan is horrible, Force Awakens is horrible, Last Jedi is horrible. Obi-Wan is just a series of kidnappings followed by a series of people not checking if the person they fought is actually dead (spoiler: they weren't).

Solo and Rogue One aren't bad.

 

[Fygee]

Obi-Wan is handcuffed by canon, so the whole "make sure person is dead" thing was an unfortunate necessity. I still liked seeing Obi-Wan deal with being exiled and how he rediscovered his "inner jedi", and the child actress playing kid Leia was great. Also loved seeing Hayden back as pre-air fried Anakin in the flashbacks, and also briefly as Darth. That scene were you hear both his as JEJ's voice together put a chill up my spine.

Force Awakens is just A New Hope redux and I thought it did a great job of it, along with setting up the new trilogy and the direction it was going.

Last Jedi is understandably decisive, but I love that it took some bold steps to do things differently instead of just repeating the same story bits and defying expectations. It's just a really well made and directed movie beyond that.

 

[SouthtownKid]

the cope is strong in this one

 

[famicommander]

Obi-Wan is handcuffed by canon, so the whole "make sure person is dead" thing was an unfortunate necessity.

It's not handcuffed by canon at all. Just be a better writer and don't write your characters into those idiotic situations where everyone has to be the biggest dipshit possible to make them survive.

 

[Lagduf]

Star Wars has sucked since 1999.

 

[famicommander]

Star Wars has sucked since 1999.

1997.

 

[Average Joe]

The Last Jedi was a very memorable theater-going experience for me.

I really liked Force Awakens and thought it opened things up nicely for the following two movies, so I had legitimate excitement walking into the theater to see Last Jedi. I went with my wife and mom as we all kind of felt the same about Star Wars at that point and the idea of being all pumped up to see more good come out of the universe felt like a long time coming.

Next thing I remember is the three of us silently walking to my car and nobody saying a word until we got in and I said: "I think I fucking hated that." and to which they morosely muttered: "Yeah..."

 

[Lagduf]

I will never forgive Disney for what they did to Luke.

They did him, and really all the Legacy characters, dirty. Fisher’s death was unfortunate as I’m sure there would have been more to Leia’s story but as a whole the sequels suck.

The Extended Universe is so much better than any of the recent garbage that they had to pull characters from it (Thrawn, etc) LOL.

Fami, I know those cartoons are good but I just don’t even care to eat the fruit because the whole tree is poisoned.

 

[famicommander]

Fami, I know those cartoons are good but I just don’t even care to eat the fruit because the whole tree is poisoned.

Kanan Jarrus and Ahsoka Tano. Two characters that exhibit more growth than anybody else in all of Star Wars. Tano is falsely accused of murder and domestic terrorism by the Jedi and refuses to forgive them when they realize their mistake, Kanan never finished his training, takes a wife, and spends decades hiding from his trauma.

 

[Lagduf]

Really what story were they trying to tell with with Luke, Han, Leia, etc?

That heroism isn’t necessarily inherent to a character and given enough time any man will transform in to that which they fight against in their youth?

Will we see Rey in 30 years broken and defeated? No longer a hero?

There was a story to be told about a rejection of dogma in the Last Jedi, however, wasn’t that story already told…? The downfall of the Jedi thanks to their hubris (as told in the prequels) followed by a fresh start to the order, unshackled by the past in the form of Luke?

I just don’t get it.

Guess I still love Star Wars or I wouldn’t have written two posts in a row about it lol.

 

[Lagduf]

I am pretty much expressway uninterested in watching Jedi fight each other, @famicommander.

The pinnacle of Jedi combat, and really story telling about Jedi is in Return of the Jedi when Luke throws down his saber.

That’s what it means to be a Jedi.

RotJ has some great story telling (also has some goof ass shit too, lol.)

 

[famicommander]

Really what story were they trying to tell with with Luke, Han, Leia, etc?

That heroism isn’t necessarily inherent to a character and given enough time any man will transform in to that which they fight against in their youth?

Will we see Rey in 30 years broken and defeated? No longer a hero?

There was a story to be told about a rejection of dogma in the Last Jedi, however, wasn’t that story already told…? The downfall of the Jedi thanks to their hubris (as told in the prequels) followed by a fresh start to the order, unshackled by the past in the form of Luke?

I just don’t get it.

Guess I still love Star Wars or I wouldn’t have written two posts in a row about it lol.

They didn't have a story in mind when they started. That's the problem. They just decided that they wanted to make more movies and they weren't smart enough to find a way to let their new characters shine without literally killing off the old guard.

I actually like Rey, Poe, and Finn. But beyond creating their personalities and broad archetypes they didn't give them any compelling stories or growth.

Even worse is that JJ Trek 1 and The Force Awakens inspired a horrible trend where every old franchise revisits its former protagonists to find them fucking miserable and under the realization that everything they ever accomplished was pointless. Ghostbusters did it, Halloween did it, Top Gun did it.

 

[famicommander]

I am pretty much expressway uninterested in watching Jedi fight each other, @famicommander.

The pinnacle of Jedi combat, and really story telling about Jedi is in Return of the Jedi when Luke throws down his saber. That’s what it means to be a Jedi.

Even that was pretty dumb, though. He bet the fate of the universe on his Space Hitler father he barely knows still loving him a tiny bit even though he's spent the last 25 years as a child-murdering psychopath.

 

[HornheaDD]

Really what story were they trying to tell with with Luke, Han, Leia, etc?

That heroism isn’t necessarily inherent to a character and given enough time any man will transform in to that which they fight against in their youth?

Will we see Rey in 30 years broken and defeated? No longer a hero?

There was a story to be told about a rejection of dogma in the Last Jedi, however, wasn’t that story already told…? The downfall of the Jedi thanks to their hubris (as told in the prequels) followed by a fresh start to the order, unshackled by the past in the form of Luke?

I just don’t get it.

Guess I still love Star Wars or I wouldn’t have written two posts in a row about it lol.

What sucks is that because the sequel trilogy was literally that bad, they are stuck with the Palpatine thing as canon. Palps has been chillin out on some rando planet and somehow - without anyone knowing, mind you - has amassed yet another empire - aside from the First Order - and is back from the dead because "reasons."

Because of that - allllll of the other Star Wars stuff that's coming out has to somehow fit into whatever narrative ends up with "somehow palpatine returned."

Seriously, guys? You actually got past the writing stages, and got to where Oscar Isaac uttered those words on set and didn't immediately say "OK cut, this is just stupid. Lets figure this out..." Such a literal throwaway line to imply that how he came back doesn't matter like at all. "ha ha! Its just palps! Still bangin' around! *reading rainbow ba damp bamp! sound*"

So because of that, Bad Batch (as literally great as it was) had to do with "m-counts" and cloning to (begin to) explain the how and why Palps created those force sensitive clones/lordwhateverthefuck his name was. I honestly don't even remember. The Gollum voice guy.

Same thing with the Ahsoka show, with Mando, and now especially with Acolyte. They have to start seeding this ridiculous "origin of old busted Palpatine" storyline. If they hadn't pulled that fucking STUPID "somehow Palpatine returned" bullshit, these shows and movies/etc wouldn't be caged into explaining it away. Would they be OG Trilogy quality? Probably not. But they wouldn't be this fucking stupid.

 

[Lagduf]

In a story with space wizards I wouldn’t consider it any dumber than anything else in the story - particularly if we take Luke at face value and that he did sense the good within his father.

No it was heroic, it was human, to defeat the Empire the way Luke.

There is no more powerful scene in Star Wars, period, the close up on Vader’s mask when Luke is being hit with force lightning. The audience is smart and they know what is going on on his mind. That scene still gives me chills.

 

[famicommander]

In a story with space wizards I wouldn’t consider it any dumber than anything else in the story

It's way, way dumber.

He blew up a fucking planet two movies ago.