New Star Wars stuff announced

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It's quite smart of them to pause the Rey movie given how poorly everything under the current leadership is being received. Go ahead and make your Rey movie, but wait until there are people with a clue that can direct the narrative into a Star Wars movie and not Snow White in Space.
 

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Acolyte was truly a disaster.
 

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What’s truly a disaster is that graph.
It's definitely bad, but it just illustrates how badly they fucked Acolyte up. Most expensive to make, lowest viewership, and it also had the 2nd worst critical reception, settling just ahead of Boba Fett and behind Obi-Wan on RT.

Boba Fett got canceled purely for the bad reception, Obi-Wan got canceled probably because they couldn't sign McGregor up for season 2, everything else but Acolyte got renewed.
 

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But the graph fami, the graph. Who displays data like this?

To quote Prince “Fuck yo graph, nigga!”

PS: Fuck the Acolyte too.

I pray to Crom Disney never gets Star Trek.
 

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Are the retards still saying Acolyte was purposefully sabotaged for being woke and/or having LGBT actors (or whatever dumb shit they were saying?)
 

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Are the retards still saying Acolyte was purposefully sabotaged for being woke and/or having LGBT actors (or whatever dumb shit they were saying?)
I don't think many people said that and anyone who did wasn't taken seriously.

There is definitely a loud, angry bunch of internet racists/sexists/homophobes that relentlessly attacked the show and the people involved in it for those reasons. But that happens with literally every Star Wars show or movie. It happened to Andor but it still got universal acclaim. It happened with Ahsoka but it still did solid viewership and got a decent critical reception. It happened with the sequel trilogy and they still made over a billion dollars each.

If the Acolyte were either good or popular it would have weathered that storm. It was neither.

Also I'm just now remembering that they pivoted midseason in Boba Fett and crammed 2.5 Mando episodes and cameos from Luke Skywalker, R2D2, and Ahsoka in there. I wonder how low the numbers would've been if they hadn't done that.
 

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Disney needs to get a hold of these media outlets and throttle them whenever they start saying shit like 'OMG it's the gayest Star Wars ever!'

Really, Disney should just stop doing pressers altogether. Just advertise the show, put it out there and let it stand on its own. The days of the media circle jerk are pretty much over.
 

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Disney needs to get a hold of these media outlets and throttle them whenever they start saying shit like 'OMG it's the gayest Star Wars ever!'

Really, Disney should just stop doing pressers altogether. Just advertise the show, put it out there and let it stand on its own. The days of the media circle jerk are pretty much over.
That describes Ubisoft right now. They know it's not going to be good, so they are getting out of the press as much as possible. It was too late for Star Wars Outlaws, but Assassins Creed is next, and it doesnt look good.
 

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Disney needs to get a hold of these media outlets and throttle them whenever they start saying shit like 'OMG it's the gayest Star Wars ever!'

Really, Disney should just stop doing pressers altogether. Just advertise the show, put it out there and let it stand on its own. The days of the media circle jerk are pretty much over.
That would only work if what they put out is actually good, which is usually not the case. Even with a bunch of negative buzz it still gets people talking and watching just to see how bad or woke it actually is. A big loud shart gets more attention than a silent sloppy stinker and when you're spending hundreds of millions you at least want people to notice that you shit yourself.

What they need to stop doing is the big press events where they just pat themselves on the back and circle jerk each other, just regular promotion about the actual product. But when the product is increasingly terrible and soulless that's all they have though. Look how great we are, not look how great our product is.
 

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What that graph tells us is that we need to show in en masse for Andor S2. ...I think. That graph is fucking awful.
 

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What that graph tells us is that we need to show in en masse for Andor S2. ...I think. That graph is fucking awful.
Andor is ending with season 2 regardless. The show runner planned for five but immediately changed his mind after shooting 3 episodes and realizing how fucking hard it was to make it to his quality standards on a TV timescale. So he decided to do a 12 episode season 2 and call it a day no matter how well or how poorly it does.
 

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What they need to stop doing is the big press events where they just pat themselves on the back and circle jerk each other, just regular promotion about the actual product. But when the product is increasingly terrible and soulless that's all they have though. Look how great we are, not look how great our product is.
Did they just not do this for Andor at all?

I feel like that is the one I've heard the least about and oddly the one that people seem to agree is actually really good and the best of the bunch.

Are we just in such a negative press cycle with Star Wars where the majority of what is being discussed is how bad-to-mediocre it all is and the rare quality piece just gets swept away in the flood of hate/mockery?
 

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Disney has an agenda. I think it's clear what it is. We need to at least acknowledge that if we're going to talk about this honestly.

They allow the media to paint their shows in a certain light. They grant access to allow such questions to be asked.

Others, like Andor, where an agenda can't be found other than 'good Star Wars series that older fans would like', aren't part of that agenda.

They are openly hostile towards the fan base that doesn't just lap up everything they put out. So they let the shill media create a narrative that allows them to blame the show's failure on 'toxic fans.'

We all know that's not true. The numbers show that. But the perception is that these shows are failing because of bad faith arguments made by the 'nazis' I'm sure Xavier loves to hunt.

This accomplishes two goals:

1.) Not take responsibility for their own failures. When was the last time Disney actually admitted that they made a bad call on this stuff?

2.) Commodify the false virtuous intentions of these new efforts even though nobody appointed Disney the moral arbiters of anything. This is not social justice but merely them trying to kill the old sentiment so that they can market the product to a newer, younger audience that will embrace what they do as not only fans but as revolutionaries pushing back against 'the bad old ways'. Let go of the past. Kill it if you have to.

The behavior of tearing down our idols is nothing new. We have done it, as a society, over and over and over. Probably more times than we know. This is promoted as resistance (the 'modern audience' that doesn't exist) but it's really just manipulation. Youth in rebellion. Rebels without a cause. Or a clue. But they all want to think they're the bottle cap and not the piece of glass.

Commercial behavior is a legitimate field of study.
 

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I gave up on Star Wars after Force Awakens, but reading this reminded me a show about Boba Fett was horrible. It's incredible they managed to miss the mark so much on that.
 

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I gave up on Star Wars after Force Awakens, but reading this reminded me a show about Boba Fett was horrible. It's incredible they managed to miss the mark so much on that.
The fact is, Mandalorian was already what anybody would've wanted out of a Boba Fett show. Boba Fett was entirely redundant and there was no reason at all for it to exist beyond the fact that they had all the sets, costumes, props, and actors sitting around from other shows which actually did have a reason to exist.
 

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The Mandalorian was the right way to go. The concept of Mandalorians needed further expansion in the Disney era and that show did it well. Credit to Jon Favreau, and ONLY Jon Favreau (Filoni can go fuck himself), for understanding the material and, in his own words, being able to 'read the room'.

He should have been put in charge of Lucasfilm. But with a great curator like Favreau in charge, you can't demonize the existing product in order to take cultural ownership of it.

To wit: Disney needs to be burned to the ground and the earth it once stood on salted. And not just for Star Wars.
 

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The Mandalorian was the right way to go. The concept of Mandalorians needed further expansion in the Disney era and that show did it well. Credit to Jon Favreau, and ONLY Jon Favreau (Filoni can go fuck himself), for understanding the material and, in his own words, being able to 'read the room'.

He should have been put in charge of Lucasfilm. But with a great curator like Favreau in charge, you can't demonize the existing product in order to take cultural ownership of it.

To wit: Disney needs to be burned to the ground and the earth it once stood on salted. And not just for Star Wars.
We saw what Favreau does without Filoni and it's Book of Boba Fett. Favreau wrote every episode; Filoni only co-wrote one (the one with Luke Skywalker and Cad Bane).

We also saw that Mando season 3 was way, way worse than seasons 1 and 2. Primarily because Favreau was mostly unsupervised on season 3 while Filoni was making Ahsoka, Bad Batch, and Tales of.

Favreau is also the one who keeps insisting on hiring Robert Rodriguez, all of whose episodes are pretty much universally hated.
 

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Favreau mostly solo:
The Book of Boba Fett
Mando season 3

Favreau with Filoni:
Mando season 1
Mando season 2

Filoni without Favreau:
The Clone Wars
Rebels
The Bad Batch
Tales of
Ahsoka

Should be very, very obvious who the idiot of the two is.
 

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Do you really believe Favreau wasn't being given marching orders when he was on his own or that the creative process wasn't being hampered every step of the way? Do you really believe Favreau would have made Boba Fett...whatever the hell he ended up being in Book of Boba Fett if he was left to his own devices?

Or are you basing your statement only on what Disney tells you?
 

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Do you really believe Favreau wasn't being given marching orders when he was on his own or that the creative process wasn't being hampered every step of the way? Do you really believe Favreau would have made Boba Fett...whatever the hell he ended up being in Book of Boba Fett if he was left to his own devices?

Or are you basing your statement only on what Disney tells you?
What Disney tells me?

What I know is that in Mando seasons 1 and 2, Dave Filoni was the 2nd unit director on every episode that he didn't direct himself. He was on set pretty much every single day of shooting.

Then he's suddenly away for the overwhelming majority of Mando season 3 and Boba Fett and there's a drastic nosedive in quality. For those he was only involved in the 3 episodes he co-wrote himself, while Favreau has a writing credit for every single episode of both.

Meanwhile, the shows Filoni was actually working on instead of Mando season 3 and Boba Fett all turned out to be way, way better than those two shows.
 

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I get what you're saying. I just don't believe Favreau had carte blanche on his efforts. Book of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian Season 3 have all the stink of corporate bureaucracy and Lucasfilm's mission statement under Kennedy all over them. Filoni is a good company guy so as long as he does what they want, they let him execute. He was Lucas' creature and now he's Kennedy's. I suppose there's something to be said for that but I don't get any sense that the man is genuine, although that's just a vibe more than anything.

You could very well be right and that it's all on the table. I just have a hard time believing it.
 

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I get what you're saying. I just don't believe Favreau had carte blanche on his efforts. Book of Boba Fett and The Mandalorian Season 3 have all the stink of corporate bureaucracy and Lucasfilm's mission statement under Kennedy all over them. Filoni is a good company guy so as long as he does what they want, they let him execute. He was Lucas' creature and now he's Kennedy's. I suppose there's something to be said for that but I don't get any sense that the man is genuine, although that's just a vibe more than anything.

You could very well be right and that it's all on the table. I just have a hard time believing it.
If anybody's the Disney company man it's Favreau and his soulless Lion King and Jungle Book remakes and his involvement in the Marvel machine.

Filoni is in it because he's a fucking giant nerd. Sometimes his nerd ass nerd shit doesn't work, like when he expects you to have seen 300 animated episodes to understand what's happening in a 30 minute live action episode 12 years later, but the guy loves Star Wars for the sake of Star Wars. He's not putting anybody's agenda above his child-like reverence for George and his ideas, for better or worse.
 
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