New Star Wars stuff announced

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It wasn't about any of the shows being incredible on their own terms, it was about finding out who was responsible for the measurable drop in quality that did occur.

They made two seasons of The Mandalorian together that were well liked. Then Filoni left to make two new, well received shows while continuing work on a third (also well received) show he was working on the whole time. Favreau stayed and made a third season that was received much more poorly, and another show that is so far the worst reviewed TV series in the franchise. As bad as the Acolyte sucked at least it didn't have Boba Fett leading a teenage scooter gang.
 

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Who are these cunts and who is watching any of this shit?
It's Star Wars, you think people are ever going to stop watching?

It's like the Hotel California, you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.

Even when people told us how bad Rise of Skywalker was, we all had to see it for ourselves because we thought there was no way it could suck more than Attack of the Clones or Last Jedi. And then it totally did. And we're all going to go see the next one, because we're stupid.
 

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It's Star Wars, you think people are ever going to stop watching?

It's like the Hotel California, you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.

Even when people told us how bad Rise of Skywalker was, we all had to see it for ourselves because we thought there was no way it could suck more than Attack of the Clones or Last Jedi. And then it totally did. And we're all going to go see the next one, because we're stupid.
I get all that. Anything to do with the core series I give people a leave pass but I can't understand why someone would sit down and watch something called "Ashoka" Who the fuck even is that?
 

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I get all that. Anything to do with the core series I give people a leave pass but I can't understand why someone would sit down and watch something called "Ashoka" Who the fuck even is that?
Ahsoka Tano was the lead character of The Clone Wars (7 seasons and a movie) show and a major supporting character on Rebels (4 seasons and some web shorts). Both shows were popular and well received. The show Ahsoka is essentially a follow up to both of those animated series and stars most of the surviving characters.

Unlike the movies, animated Star Wars has been very well received. At least since the 2000s, anyway. Nobody liked those 80s cartoons.
 

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Even when Fami makes a good argument, he gets shit for it.

What a world.
 

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It's Star Wars, you think people are ever going to stop watching?

It's like the Hotel California, you can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.

Even when people told us how bad Rise of Skywalker was, we all had to see it for ourselves because we thought there was no way it could suck more than Attack of the Clones or Last Jedi. And then it totally did. And we're all going to go see the next one, because we're stupid.
I'm just going to assume when you say "we" and "us" that you're referring to yourself and other delusional SW retards only. Because even regular nerds aren't watching any of this shit and haven't been for years.

I can count the amount of Disney SW stuff I've watched on one hand and still have a finger left over.
 

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I can count the amount of Disney SW stuff I've watched on one dick and still have a dick left over.
 

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I don't watch any of this shit any more and Star Wars practically made me who I am.

Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy did what I thought they could never do.

They broke Excalibur.

They killed the Golden Goose.

Luke throwing that lightsaber over his shoulder at the start of The Last Jedi was a message.

Message received.

'George Lucas didn't fix Luke at the end of Return of the Jedi. WE fixed him because Lucas is an old white man and out of touch with the times because he made these movies in the bad, racist 70s and 80s. Now that we undid everything Luke accomplished in those old movies, we can reshape him into who WE want him to be because he should do better. Also, Stormtroopers are now an allegory for American slavery so all those faceless bad guys that were rampaging across the universe and blowing up planets? They're the victims. And we're Disney. We are simply good and know what's best for you.'

Also in The Last Jedi. An Asian woman (even though there is no Asia in Star Wars) angry about a planet of capitalism.

In a film produced by Disney.

LOL you can't make this shit up. No one would believe it if it wasn't real. Fuck, *I* almost don't believe it and I watched it happen.

The Mandalorian gave me hope that they'd turned a new leaf.

Turns out...not so much.

Corporate culture is to ignore criticism, both internally and externally, directed towards the product and those who produce it. They are either incapable of or unwilling to parse the useful criticism from all the noise.

James M. Ward, a legendary creator for role playing games working for TSR when Lorraine Williams bought the company in a hostile takeover from Gygax (who deserved it because he didn't handle success very well at all) owned the Buck Rogers license. It had been in her family for a long time. She chose to use TSR to produce a line of products and games that had some of the worst marketing possible. Comic books that were also games. Nobody knew how to sell them, where to put them in their stores and they weren't very good after all that.

Jim Ward was at a convention during all of this and a fan asked 'How long are you gonna keep making shitty Buck Rogers stuff?'

His epic response: 'Until you start buying it.'

Pro tip: he hated the Buck Rogers TSR products but he was toeing the company line because he had to.

Another pro tip: The Buck Rogers comic game line was a breach of contract with DC Comics, who were producing the great and excellent Dungeons & Dragaons and Forgotten Realms comics at the time. That led to those comics coming to abrupt ends.

When someone has a plan, they don't want to hear how shitty it is. And they'll engineer their audience to defend it if they can. In Jim Ward's day, it was smiling through your anger. In the age of social media, it's letting the useful idiots and apologists do the work for you.
 
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I'm just going to assume when you say "we" and "us" that you're referring to yourself and other delusional SW retards only. Because even regular nerds aren't watching any of this shit and haven't been for years.

I can count the amount of Disney SW stuff I've watched on one hand and still have a finger left over.
Just because you don't watch anymore doesn't mean it's not still wildly popular. That's why they keep making shows even when they suck. It's really not complicated and I don't know why you're pretending you don't understand.
 

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Just because you don't watch anymore doesn't mean it's not still wildly popular. That's why they keep making shows even when they suck. It's really not complicated and I don't know why you're pretending you don't understand.
Did you read the first line of Taiso's post above yours, that the same for everyone I know.

You sound like a battered wife that keeps going back to their abusive husband.

"He's gonna change, I know it. He just needs another chance."

The only way they are going to change is if you stop giving Disney money and stop watching their slop.
 

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Did you read the first line of Taiso's post above yours, that the same for everyone I know.

You sound like a battered wife that keeps going back to their abusive husband.

"He's gonna change, I know it. He just needs another chance."

The only way they are going to change is if you stop giving Disney money and stop watching their slop.
The vast majority of people who watched The Mandalorian, The Clone Wars, Rebels, Andor, Ahsoka, The Bad Batch, and Tales Of liked them. They are well liked by fans, they were well reviewed by critics, they were commercially successful, and they got (or are getting) multiple seasons.

The Acolyte sucked and nobody liked it. It got canceled.
Obi-Wan sucked and nobody liked it. It got canceled.
Boba Fett sucked and nobody liked it. It got canceled.

Seems like the system is working fine on the TV side of things, besides Mandalorian season 3 being a misfire. The movie side has been a mess for decades but oh well. That was the case way before Disney bought it.
 

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The corporate model for deconstruction is to get you to either hate or walk away from the thing you love that they own so that they don't have to compete against themselves.

If the older, better version never goes away, people will always come out to hate the newer, crappier versions. Or at the very least, not like it as much.

Denouncing the past is a way to commodify your product as somehow more 'virtuous' than what came before.

'Not only is what we did NEW, but it's not RACIST OR SEXIST like the old stuff!'

Disney doesn't promote the message or give marching orders. They just make the product and they let the shills do the rest for them. Which, since they're access media, they're happy to do. Never once has Disney said 'Hey, could you stop demonizing the fan base? It's not cool.'

Anybody that doesn't see right through to the heart of the matter is ignorant of the realities of commercial behavior and marketing. It's just that simple.
 

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But the first season was soooo good!
 

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I sense something.

A presence I've not felt since...

Last Thursday when I saw Obi-Wan for our weekly lightsaber duel.
 

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It takes place alongside the OT. Qui Gon Jinn needed Obi-Wan's help on ghost missions. We're going to see what he was busy with when Luke was calling for help on Bespin. There will be answers.
 

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The inartful way in which Disney tries to reframe existing film canon despite not being part of the creative process and not caring about what came before are crimes against humanity.

Obi-wan justifying his presence on Tatooine to Lars in season 1 by insisting 'the boy must be trained' is a hoot considering he became a factory worker disconnected from the Force.

It's clear they want to do a Reva show.

Just do a Reva show, Disney. Rip the band-aid off.
 

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The Empire Shrikes Blax?
If they made a Reva show and focused on the backbiting and internal politicking of the Inquisitorious, it could be really interesting.

Disney is all up on blurring the moral lines with Star Wars and this is not a good idea for this property, but if they're hell bent on going this route, they could EASILY make a bunch of Inquisitor characters operating in some corner of the galaxy and have them have to not only overcome challenges from without but also from within.

The only real problem as I see it would be that you might not have anyone to root for but I say just go for it. At this point, they have absolutely nothing to lose. The franchise is at a nadir, anyway.
 

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Just once I'd like to see a Star Wars series where the good guys are in power, and demonstrate that they really have their shit together instead of all this politicking, lying, hubris, and feckless bureaucracy. They don't have to be perfect, but functional and living up to what they represent would be nice for a change.

Also, get the everloving fuck away from the Skywalker movie timeline. Do something with The Old Republic where both the Republic and the Empire were major powers on fairly equal footing, and both Jedi and Sith were plentiful. Don't rely on bait tie ins like Yoda for the umpteenth time, or stories beholden to canon directly related to the movies.

Oh, and good writing. Whoever wrote Andor, get them on permanent retainer.
 

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Just once I'd like to see a Star Wars series where the good guys are in power
There is no such thing as "the good guys are in power". It's a patently ludicrous premise. "Good guys" aren't drawn to power. It's an easier leap to believe an all-powerful energy field that controls everyone's destiny than it is to buy into "the good guys are in power."
 

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There is no such thing as "the good guys are in power". It's a patently ludicrous premise. "Good guys" aren't drawn to power. It's an easier leap to believe an all-powerful energy field that controls everyone's destiny than it is to buy into "the good guys are in power."
So the Republic, be it Old, High, or New, in any of the time frames of Star Wars, aren't considered the good guys in the story?

The Rebels weren't drawn to power in their quest to defeat the Empire and to take that power away from them?

Being drawn to power in and of itself is different from the motivations in seeking that power. Those motivations are what Star Wars is all about. It's literally a black (dark) and white (light) difference. The Jedi and the Rebellion seek power to protect others and be a force of justice and freedom in the galaxy. The Empire seek power to hold dominion over everything and the Sith want power for their own selfish gain regardless of who it hurts.
 
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